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As I wrote in the comments above, I first was very sceptical about this change when Robert asked for it. In the meantime, however, my opinion changed a bit and I think the positive effects of the change most probably outweigh the negative ones.

Don't get me wrong, I still have the strong opionionopinion there are currently too many community members around here who don't behave nicely:

  • downvoting and closing question with minor issues or no apparent issues (at least not apparent to me, so maybe my fault?)

  • refuse to give constructive or specific feedback to askers which are willing to improve their question (last example here, where after a full week of silence Thomas Owens finally was gracious enough to write a kind of answer I had expected to get from one of the initial high-rep close-voters).

  • stay away from curating questions actively, though they have more than enough rep for being able to do so

  • stay away from any reflective discussion like this one about the groups self-moderating style

  • mark questions frequently as duplicates of older questions which are way-too-general (or simply unsuitable) for giving the asker a helpful answer

  • give me the impression the only moderation tools they know are the downvote and the close vote button.

My fear was that the influence of those community members would increase even more when they now get a chance to close reasonable questions with just three votes, and probably it has become now. And I still don't buy Robert HarveysHarvey's argument that quick closing will motivate more askers to improve their question, so 3 reopen votes will actually lead to more improved, reopened questions, balancing the formerly described, IMHO abusive behaviour.

On the other hand, I see that ourthis site isbeing still flooded with way more unsuitable questions than ones which might be salvaged, and these kind of posts now vanish a lot more quickly than before from the site. So there is probably some collateral damage I have to accept here. And the fact Thomas gets a little bit unburdened from cleaning up cumbersome stuff is definitely a positive one.

Of course, all what I wrote above is not based on any statistics, just my personal impression, so I am looking forward to see a statistical summary at the end of the experiment.

As I wrote in the comments above, I first was very sceptical about this change when Robert asked for it. In the meantime, however, my opinion changed a bit and I think the positive effects of the change most probably outweigh the negative ones.

Don't get me wrong, I still have the strong opionion there are currently too many community members around here who don't behave nicely:

  • downvoting and closing question with minor issues or no apparent issues (at least not apparent to me, so maybe my fault?)

  • refuse to give constructive or specific feedback to askers which are willing to improve their question (last example here, where after a full week of silence Thomas Owens finally was gracious enough to write a kind of answer I had expected to get from one of the initial high-rep close-voters).

  • stay away from curating questions actively, though they have more than enough rep for being able to do so

  • stay away from any reflective discussion like this one about the groups self-moderating style

  • mark questions frequently as duplicates of older questions which are way-too-general (or simply unsuitable) for giving the asker a helpful answer

  • give me the impression the only moderation tools they know are the downvote and the close vote button.

My fear was that the influence of those community members would increase even more when they now get a chance to close reasonable questions with just three votes, and probably it has become now. And I still don't buy Robert Harveys argument that quick closing will motivate more askers to improve their question, so 3 reopen votes will actually lead to more improved, reopened questions, balancing the formerly described, IMHO abusive behaviour.

On the other hand, I see that our site is still flooded with way more unsuitable questions than ones which might be salvaged, and these kind of posts now vanish a lot more quickly than before from the site. So there is probably some collateral damage I have to accept here. And the fact Thomas gets a little bit unburdened from cleaning up cumbersome stuff is definitely a positive one.

Of course, all what I wrote above is not based on any statistics, just my personal impression, so I am looking forward to see a statistical summary at the end of the experiment.

As I wrote in the comments above, I first was very sceptical about this change when Robert asked for it. In the meantime, however, my opinion changed a bit and I think the positive effects of the change most probably outweigh the negative ones.

Don't get me wrong, I still have the strong opinion there are currently too many community members around here who don't behave nicely:

  • downvoting and closing question with minor issues or no apparent issues (at least not apparent to me, so maybe my fault?)

  • refuse to give constructive or specific feedback to askers which are willing to improve their question (last example here, where after a full week of silence Thomas Owens finally was gracious enough to write a kind of answer I had expected to get from one of the initial high-rep close-voters).

  • stay away from curating questions actively, though they have more than enough rep for being able to do so

  • stay away from any reflective discussion like this one about the groups self-moderating style

  • mark questions frequently as duplicates of older questions which are way-too-general (or simply unsuitable) for giving the asker a helpful answer

  • give me the impression the only moderation tools they know are the downvote and the close vote button.

My fear was that the influence of those community members would increase even more when they now get a chance to close reasonable questions with just three votes, and probably it has become now. And I still don't buy Robert Harvey's argument that quick closing will motivate more askers to improve their question, so 3 reopen votes will actually lead to more improved, reopened questions, balancing the formerly described, IMHO abusive behaviour.

On the other hand, I see this site being still flooded with way more unsuitable questions than ones which might be salvaged, and these kind of posts now vanish a lot more quickly than before from the site. So there is probably some collateral damage I have to accept here. And the fact Thomas gets a little bit unburdened from cleaning up cumbersome stuff is definitely a positive one.

Of course, all what I wrote above is not based on any statistics, just my personal impression, so I am looking forward to see a statistical summary at the end of the experiment.

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As I wrote in the comments above, I first was very sceptical about this change when Robert asked for it. In the meantime, however, my opinion changed a bit and I think the positive effects of the change most probably outweigh the negative ones.

Don't get me wrong, I still have the strong opionion there are currently too many community members around here who don't behave nicely:

  • downvoting and closing question with minor issues or no apparent issues (at least not apparent to me, so maybe my fault?)

  • refuse to give constructive or specific feedback to askers which are willing to improve their question (last example here, where after a full week of silence Thomas Owens finally was gracious enough to write a kind of answer I had expected to get from one of the initial high-rep close-voters).

  • stay away from curating questions actively, though they have more than enough rep for being able to do so

  • stay away from any reflective discussion like this one about the groups self-moderating style

  • mark questions frequently as duplicates of older questions which are way-too-general (or simply unsuitable) for giving the asker a helpful answer

  • give me the impression the only moderation tools they know are the downvote and the close vote button.

My fear was that the influence of those community members would increase even more when they now get a chance to close reasonable questions with just three votes, and probably it has become now. And I still don't buy Robert Harveys argument that quick closing will motivate more askers to improve their question, so 3 reopen votes will actually lead to more improved, reopened questions, balancing the formerly described, IMHO abusive behaviour.

On the other hand, I see that our site is still flooded with way more unsuitable questions than ones which might be salvaged, and these kind of posts now vanish a lot more quickly than before from the site. So there is probably some collateral damage I have to accept here. And the fact Thomas gets a little bit unburdened from cleaning up cumbersome stuff is definitely a positive one.

Of course, all what I wrote above is not based on any statistics, just my personal impression, so I am looking forward to see a statistical summary at the end of the experiment.

As I wrote in the comments above, I first was very sceptical about this change when Robert asked for it. In the meantime, however, my opinion changed a bit and I think the positive effects of the change most probably outweigh the negative ones.

Don't get me wrong, I still have the strong opionion there are currently too many community members around here who don't behave nicely:

  • downvoting and closing question with minor issues or no apparent issues (at least not apparent to me, so maybe my fault?)

  • refuse to give constructive or specific feedback to askers which are willing to improve their question (last example here, where after a full week of silence Thomas Owens finally was gracious enough to write a kind of answer I had expected to get from one of the initial high-rep close-voters).

  • stay away from curating questions actively, though they have more than enough rep for being able to do so

  • stay away from any reflective discussion like this one about the groups self-moderating style

  • give me the impression the only moderation tools they know are the downvote and the close vote button.

My fear was that the influence of those community members would increase even more when they now get a chance to close reasonable questions with just three votes, and probably it has. I still don't buy Robert Harveys argument that quick closing will motivate more askers to improve their question, so 3 reopen votes will actually lead to more improved, reopened questions.

On the other hand, I see that our site is still flooded with way more unsuitable questions than ones which might be salvaged, and these kind of posts now vanish a lot more quickly than before from the site. So there is probably some collateral damage I have to accept here. And the fact Thomas gets a little bit unburdened from cleaning up cumbersome stuff is definitely a positive one.

Of course, all what I wrote above is not based on any statistics, just my personal impression, so I am looking forward to see a statistical summary at the end of the experiment.

As I wrote in the comments above, I first was very sceptical about this change when Robert asked for it. In the meantime, however, my opinion changed a bit and I think the positive effects of the change most probably outweigh the negative ones.

Don't get me wrong, I still have the strong opionion there are currently too many community members around here who don't behave nicely:

  • downvoting and closing question with minor issues or no apparent issues (at least not apparent to me, so maybe my fault?)

  • refuse to give constructive or specific feedback to askers which are willing to improve their question (last example here, where after a full week of silence Thomas Owens finally was gracious enough to write a kind of answer I had expected to get from one of the initial high-rep close-voters).

  • stay away from curating questions actively, though they have more than enough rep for being able to do so

  • stay away from any reflective discussion like this one about the groups self-moderating style

  • mark questions frequently as duplicates of older questions which are way-too-general (or simply unsuitable) for giving the asker a helpful answer

  • give me the impression the only moderation tools they know are the downvote and the close vote button.

My fear was that the influence of those community members would increase even more when they now get a chance to close reasonable questions with just three votes, and probably it has become now. And I still don't buy Robert Harveys argument that quick closing will motivate more askers to improve their question, so 3 reopen votes will actually lead to more improved, reopened questions, balancing the formerly described, IMHO abusive behaviour.

On the other hand, I see that our site is still flooded with way more unsuitable questions than ones which might be salvaged, and these kind of posts now vanish a lot more quickly than before from the site. So there is probably some collateral damage I have to accept here. And the fact Thomas gets a little bit unburdened from cleaning up cumbersome stuff is definitely a positive one.

Of course, all what I wrote above is not based on any statistics, just my personal impression, so I am looking forward to see a statistical summary at the end of the experiment.

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As I wrote in the comments above, I first was very sceptical about this change when Robert asked for it. In the meantime, however, my opinion changed a bit and I think the positive effects of the change most probably outweigh the negative ones.

Don't get me wrong, I am still havinghave the strong opionion there are stillcurrently too many community members around here who don't behave nicely:

  • downvoting and closing question with minor issues or no apparent issues (at least not apparent to me, so maybe my fault?)

  • refuse to give constructive or specific feedback to askers which are willing to improve their question (last example here, where after a full week of silence Thomas Owens finally was gracious enough to write a kind of answer I had expected to get from one of the initial high-rep close-voters).

  • stay away from curating questions actively, though they have more than enough rep for being able to do so

  • stay away from any reflective discussion like this one about the groups self-moderating style

  • give me the impresstionimpression the only moderation tools they know are the downvote and the close vote button.

My fear was that the influence of those community members would increase even more when they now get a chance to close a questionreasonable questions with just three votes, and probably it has. I still don't buy Robert Harveys argument that quick closing will motivate more askers to improve their question, so 3 reopen votes will actually lead to more improved, reopened questions.

On the other hand, I see that our site is still flooded with way more crapunsuitable questions than ones which might be salvaged, and this crapthese kind of posts now vanishesvanish a lot more quickly than before from the site. So there is probably some collateral damage I have to accept here. And the fact Thomas gets a little bit unburdened from cleaning up cumbersome stuff is definitely a positive one.

Of course, all what I wrote above is not based on any statistics, just my personal impression, so I am looking forward to see a statistical summary at the end of the experiment.

As I wrote in the comments above, I first was very sceptical about this change when Robert asked for it. In the meantime, however, my opinion changed a bit and I think the positive effects of the change most probably outweigh the negative ones.

Don't get me wrong, I am still having the strong opionion there are still too many community members around here who don't behave nicely:

  • downvoting and closing question with minor issues or no apparent issues (at least not apparent to me, so maybe my fault?)

  • refuse to give constructive or specific feedback to askers which are willing to improve their question (last example here, where after a full week of silence Thomas Owens finally was gracious enough to write a kind of answer I had expected to get from one of the initial high-rep close-voters).

  • stay away from curating questions actively, though they have more than enough rep for being able to do so

  • stay away from any reflective discussion like this one about the groups self-moderating style

  • give me the impresstion the only moderation tools they know are the downvote and the close vote button.

My fear was that the influence of those community members would increase even more when they now get a chance to close a question with just three votes, and probably it has. I still don't buy Robert Harveys argument that quick closing will motivate more askers to improve their question, so 3 reopen votes will actually lead to more improved, reopened questions.

On the other hand, I see that our site is still flooded with way more crap questions than ones which might be salvaged, and this crap now vanishes a lot more quickly than before from the site. So there is probably some collateral damage I have to accept here. And the fact Thomas gets a little bit unburdened from cleaning up cumbersome stuff is definitely a positive one.

Of course, all what I wrote above is not based on any statistics, just my personal impression, so I am looking forward to see a statistical summary at the end of the experiment.

As I wrote in the comments above, I first was very sceptical about this change when Robert asked for it. In the meantime, however, my opinion changed a bit and I think the positive effects of the change most probably outweigh the negative ones.

Don't get me wrong, I still have the strong opionion there are currently too many community members around here who don't behave nicely:

  • downvoting and closing question with minor issues or no apparent issues (at least not apparent to me, so maybe my fault?)

  • refuse to give constructive or specific feedback to askers which are willing to improve their question (last example here, where after a full week of silence Thomas Owens finally was gracious enough to write a kind of answer I had expected to get from one of the initial high-rep close-voters).

  • stay away from curating questions actively, though they have more than enough rep for being able to do so

  • stay away from any reflective discussion like this one about the groups self-moderating style

  • give me the impression the only moderation tools they know are the downvote and the close vote button.

My fear was that the influence of those community members would increase even more when they now get a chance to close reasonable questions with just three votes, and probably it has. I still don't buy Robert Harveys argument that quick closing will motivate more askers to improve their question, so 3 reopen votes will actually lead to more improved, reopened questions.

On the other hand, I see that our site is still flooded with way more unsuitable questions than ones which might be salvaged, and these kind of posts now vanish a lot more quickly than before from the site. So there is probably some collateral damage I have to accept here. And the fact Thomas gets a little bit unburdened from cleaning up cumbersome stuff is definitely a positive one.

Of course, all what I wrote above is not based on any statistics, just my personal impression, so I am looking forward to see a statistical summary at the end of the experiment.

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