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Did I make a mistake?

Hello. I am a younger editor, and I recommended wikipedia editing to a friend. As he does not have contacts with me other than school email at this point, though it will change, and the fact that wikipedia account creation is blocked at my school (persistent vandalism) and the fact I was unsure if he could make an account at home for his circumstances, I was too hasty and did not read WP:Sockpuppetry and the section that states that an account could not be shared by multiple people, and I made him an account. Now I am not sure if this applies, because I was planning on giving it to him and him changing the password, but now I have 2 accounts, one with nothing on it, and I am not sure if it violates the rules. This is why I came here, for guidance on what to do. Jayson (talk) 02:03, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I believe this would fall under the category of "good faith edit" Jayson (talk) 02:05, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I also came here because I am unsure of if he became a respected editor, then the account would be created from the same ip address I use and then people think it is a sockpuppet and it is not Jayson (talk) 02:08, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Three options that I can think of:

Have your friend change the password as planned, and don't let them tell you the new password. Leave a note on your user page explaining what happened.
Don't make any edits using the account. Have your friend ask to usurp the account at ~~https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Username_changes#Private_requests~~ https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Steward_requests/Username_changes#Requests_involving_merges,_usurps_or_other_complications. Still a good idea to leave a user page note explaining.
Abandon the new account and have your friend make a request for an account the way it should have been done, at Wikipedia:Request an account. Meters (talk) 02:28, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, he will likely not see the email before someone else gives a second opinion. Jayson (talk) 02:33, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dont worry the account has no edits on it, ConciliumHaven Jayson (talk) 02:36, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If he decides to go with a different username then he may change it Jayson (talk) 02:37, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm... on further thought, option 2 takes at least two weeks, and I don't know that an IP can usurp an account in any case. Probably best to ignore that one. Meters (talk) 03:02, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I was not even really considering it. I think I will either go with option 1 if my friend decides to, or have him create a new account and delete this one. Thank you for your help. Jayson (talk) 03:08, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Accounts cannot be deleted. Just abandon it. Meters (talk) 03:29, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

k. I guess it is up to him Jayson (talk) 03:36, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for being so careful. If all you did was set up the account and didn't actually use it, and if you then give the account to your friend as you described, I don't think it matters what IP address was used to set it up. The intent of the WP:Sockpuppetry policy is to prevent people from abusing the system (causing disruptions, evading a block/ban, etc.). As long as your friend resets the password and is the only one who uses it, then I think that would be fine. BetsyRogers (talk) 05:54, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. When it's obvious no one is really doing anything sneaky or dishonest, then no one is going to worry about it. TooManyFingers (talk) 06:46, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks everybody. Jayson (talk) 17:50, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Jayson: Hi, I don't think there is anything to worry about in this case. As WP:Sockpuppetry clearly says:

(...) In general, one editor, one registered account. Do not use multiple accounts (multiaccount) for malicious reasons.

It's not about how many accounts you create, it's about how you use them. If one uses multiple accounts to make an impression two or several people opt independently for something while it's actually just one person, which is deceiving other editors, then yes, this is strictly forbidden. OTOH using openly different accounts for different activities, like one for direct editing or discussing and another one for running a bot to make automated maintenance editions, is OK (especially if both accounts clearly disclose the connection).

Additionally, in cases like a school it may happen that multiple users working on multiple devices use actually a common gateway with a single IP address. So having the same address is not enough to fall under sockpuppetry category. Once you granted an account to your friend and not use it yourself anymore, there is no reason to consider one of you a sockpuppet of the other.

Happy editing!

--CiaPan (talk) 09:46, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You have good advice above, but I thought you both might also find WP:Guidance for younger editors useful. Welcome aboard! Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:47, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Oh yeah, I remember that editor Pigsonthewing. Well, I did read the guidance for younger editors. Thank you! Jayson (talk) 15:46, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Got to say, I found this interaction to be quite heartwarming. With the amount of sockpuppetry we get, it's nice to see someone go out and try and do the right thing. Welcome to Wikipedia. We do have a lot of complicated rules, but try your best as I feel you have here. :) Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 12:07, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for asking some questions about this. Wikipedia generally allows users to create accounts for others when they're requested, so there shouldn't be an issue here. Wikipedia actually has a few articles on creating accounts for other users, so this isn't unexpected and is sometimes encouraged if it brings new editors to the website. Have a nice week and thanks for bringing new editors! aaronneallucas (talk) 18:23, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

well done @Jayson for being aware of the rules and asking for advice Theknoledgeableperson (|have a chat) 21:27, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How do I use the "Double image" template?

Hi, I'm trying to use the Template:Double image in an article I'm working on. I've followed the example from the template, but the two images I'm trying to put up aren't showing. Could someone take a look at it? What am I doing wrong? It's in this draft: User:Mr Serjeant Buzfuz/Section 70 of the Constitution Act, 1867, in the section entitled "Legislative history"; I'm trying to insert images of Macdonald and Cartier. Any help would be appreciated. Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 15:21, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ack! I just realised I'm trying to use a template from Simple English Wikipedia! <Emily Letella>Never mind.</Emily Letella> Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 15:34, 30 November 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And because WHAAOE, those who didn't recognize the ref can read Emily Litella. DMacks (talk) 02:00, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And for those who don't recognise that ref: WP:WHAAOE. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:35, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ha! DMacks (talk) 03:01, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

youz guys funny 😄 Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 18:43, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Adding a painting to an article

Hi there. Befuddled of Wiltshire here. I've just made a page on the 1849 painting by John Everett Millais, James Wyatt and his Granddaughter Mary. I can't find a version of the original on Commons (there is an 1850 copy painting which I have found and used in the article) - I think possibly because it is in the private collection of Andrew Lloyd Webber rather than held in a museum or art gallery. As Millais died in 1896 the painting is out of copyright, and I have found a version here: [1] sourced from [2] but I can't for the life of me work out how to upload this to Commons - what criteria to use. Could anyone help me please? Thanks Stronach (talk) 15:20, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've found it reproduced here [3] where it says it is copyright Lord Lloyd Webber - but is that the photograph of it is his copyright, or the painting itself? Stronach (talk) 15:25, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Stronach I'm fairly sure you should do it like File:Sir John Everett Millais, 1st Bt by Charles Robert Leslie.jpg, see the "warning" in the summary section and the Licensing template. This discussion [4] may be applicable. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:26, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Gråbergs Gråa Sång. I don't understand it, so will leave well alone, I think. Thanks anyhow. Stronach (talk) 16:33, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Stronach, both Commons and Wikipedia are hosted in the United States. In the US, a photo of a painting that is itself in the public domain is also in the public domain, and can be used freely. The relevant case law is Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp. Cullen328 (talk) 18:46, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Stronach Sometimes people say things are copyrighted when they are not. The UK used to hold that 'sweat of the brow' reproductions could carry their own copyright, but has backed off from this. PD-Art can be used just in case. In both the country of origin (the UK) and in the US, it is public domain, so you are free to upload to commons. You need to have both a US and country-of-origin tag, so PD-US-expired and PD-old-70 will cover both. PARAKANYAA (talk) 19:02, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I can upload it for you, if you would like. PARAKANYAA (talk) 20:18, 1 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@PARAKANYAA I would love that, thank you so much. I 'get' a lot of Wikipedia editing, but image uploading has always had me scratching my head.... Cheers, Stronach (talk) 09:19, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Now at File:John Everett Millais - James Wyatt and His Granddaughter Mary (ArtRenewal).jpg - it's not possible for non-paying subscribers to get the high-res version. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:55, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Science Competition South Africa

Good day, I just want help on how to upload an image if i want to participate on the competition? Esethu Mayekiso (talk) 15:22, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Which competition are you referring to? AndyTheGrump (talk) 15:39, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Presumably c:Commons:Wiki Science Competition 2025. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 18:29, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In which case, the appropriate place to ask for help is at Commons:Help desk. AndyTheGrump (talk) 19:57, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

yes i am referring to Wiki Science Competition 2025, thank you for your help. Esethu Mayekiso (talk) 20:25, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Typo I can't fix

Rickenbacker International Airport has a grammatical typo in its short description, however it's attached to Wikidata or whatever it is (the SD is not actually on the page) so I've got no clue how to fix it. Can someone fix it please? Electricmemory (talk) 15:54, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Electricmemory.

Yes, it's not obvious, is it? It's not in Wikidata, it's actually in Template:infobox airport, which says

This template adds an automatically generated short description. If the automatic short description is not optimal, override it by adding {{Short description}} at the top of the article.

.

The location parameter to the Infobox is

location = Franklin / Pickaway counties, near Columbus, Ohio

which is presumably where the "near" comes from. ColinFine (talk) 16:28, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ColinFine Thanks! Another Wiki thing I've just never run into before. I'll remember this in the future Electricmemory (talk) 17:50, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Near" is correct; "In" shouldn't have been there. Electricmemory (talk) 17:52, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Auto Generation Error

Hi, this is specifically about the Portal:Food article. I was given this warning over there on its talk page when adding a topic: 'Attention: Talk pages in this namespace are generally not watched by many users. Please consider visiting the Help desk for a more prompt response or reviewing the Portal guidelines for quick tips.' So I came here. But the 'Am I in the right place?' article linked at the top says otherwise, so there are two contradicting statements.. so I'm not sure if this is the right place. But I'm going to put it here anyway as it seems like the best option:

On the food portal, in the 'Did You Know'? section, which is autogenerated, told me that the pop singer 'IceSpice' is Princess Diana, when upon further investigation, I discovered that 'Princess Diana' is a song by IceSpice and IceSpice is not, in fact, Princess Diana. But what beats me is what a fact about a pop singer and the royal family is doing on the food portal? I hope this issue gets resolved soon! I have a screenshot if that helps, but I have no idea how to put it here, or if I'm even allowed to. Iciiboi (talk) 16:38, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see that there, @Iciiboi. Since it's automatically generated, I guess we can see different things. ColinFine (talk) 17:25, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Looking at the source code for the Portal page, that section picks out items with various keywords, one of which is "Spice" - I guess that that's why it picked the item. Investigating further. ColinFine (talk) 17:29, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I've found it. WP:Recent additions/2023/April#30 April 2023 has an "Did you know" entry:

... that Ice Spice is Princess Diana?

where "Princess Diana" links to the article about the song.

So that was originally a jokey DYK entry, that following the link would make sense of.

Whether that was a good idea or not, I can't say.

I suspect that the Food Portal code should be changed to remove "Spice" as one of its keywords for selection. If it is important enough to justify a change. ColinFine (talk) 17:40, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The code for Portal:Food#Did you know (auto-generated) – load new batch says: {{Transclude selected recent additions|1=[Ff]ood|2=[Ff]oods|3=[Cc]uisine|4=[Ss]pice|6=[Ff]rozen food|months=36|max=6}} . Reducing the search to "spice", {{Transclude selected recent additions|1=[Ss]pice|months=36|max=6}} produces:

... that within the Armenian Rite, it takes 40 days and more than 40 flowers, herbs, and spices to create the chrism known as myron?
... that the leaves of the herb spiked savoury, although protected under Israeli law, are foraged by local people to make a spice mix?
... that British architect Diane Haigh transformed one historic building into an art gallery and another into a hospice?
... that Ice Spice is Princess Diana?
... that Sister Maureen Keleher said that the first freestanding hospice in Hawaii was like an answer to prayer?

So there are currently five search hits on "spice" which may appear on Portal:Food, and only one of them is actually about food. That's a lousy ratio so I'm removing "spice". PrimeHunter (talk) 21:13, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Notable Serbian Americans

How do I add a name to the list? R T Devane (talk) 18:25, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi R T Devane, If you want to add something to List of Serbian Americans you can just go ahead and click "edit source" by the relevant section and add a new line in the format of

* [[Name of existing article]]<ref>details of source verifying this claim</ref>

You don't add it, unless English Wikipedia already has an article about that person. TooManyFingers (talk) 19:47, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(Otherwise, every Serbian American has to get added) TooManyFingers (talk) 19:50, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@DandelionAndBurdock No, in fact you can't just go ahead and do that. TooManyFingers (talk) 19:52, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

They very much can, what do you mean? -- D'n'B-📞 -- 19:55, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The head of surgery at Shriner's Childrens Hospital is Dr. Branko Bojovic. He has saved hundreds of children in the US and internationally from disfigurement due to burns, accidents and the casualties of war. I'd like to add his name to the list of notable Serbian Americans, which already exists on Wikipedia R T Devane (talk) 20:02, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@R T Devane: Generally, any such list should include only those people who already have Wikipedia articles of their own. If the article already exists, then it is simply a matter of editing the list. I'll note that List of Serbian Americans has a comprehensive list, while the Serbian Americans article has a more distilled list with a link to the larger list.

If there is no existing article on the person in question, and you believe the person in question is notable as Wikipedia defines the term, then the next step would be to try and create the article. I'll note that creating a new article is actually one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, and one which has frustrated many a new editor who dives right in without taking a considerable length of time to learn Wikipedia's policies, procedures and guidelines. Please read and follow the advice at Help:Your first article, and explore the various policy pages linked from there.

I see that you've started writing at User:R T Devane/sandbox (I've taken the liberty of reformatting it to make the text visible). My first bit of advice here is to be careful not to write the article WP:BACKWARDS, i.e., to write the text and then look for the sourcing to support it. A proper encyclopedia article needs to be based on multiple reliable sources which are independent of the subject--find the sources which meet our standards, and build the article from these. What you have there about Dr. Bojovic is a glowing hagiography which looks to me like it could have been written by a PR firm, whereas what we want to see is something written from a more neutral point of view.

Hope this helps. Feel free to ask further questions. Thanks. --Finngall ^talk 20:07, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Are you saying that everyone listed in those two lists of notable Serbian Americans already has a wikipedia article written about them?

Best,

RTD R T Devane (talk) 20:12, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, you'll notice that list consists entirely of blue links which means that the articles already exist. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 20:13, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Since there is not an existing article on Branko Bojovic - there is nothing to be added to the list. Although I noticed one very passing mention on the article on face transplants, so that may provide a bit of a jumping off point - although you'll need a lot more significant, independent and reliable coverage of the individual to form an article. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 20:12, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Many of the blue links lead to just a name and occupation, e.g. Ognjen Topic. Is that what you mean by an article? R T Devane (talk) 20:25, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes there's an article about Ognjen Topić - you can read it at Ognjen Topić - that seems to be a very typical example of a Wikipedia article actually. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 20:39, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You make Wikipedia seem very tedious. Like something for retired librarians R T Devane (talk) 20:51, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What a strange thing to say. If you find it tedious then that's fine, I find sudukos tedious but I don't blame that on the people who enjoy them. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 21:14, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(shrug) Encyclopedias were never meant to be exciting, just informative. I don't think anyone doubts that Dr. Bojovic has done a lot of wonderful and praiseworthy things, but telling the world about these things isn't precisely what Wikipedia is for. I've done some looking around--I've seen a lot of news articles about interesting surgeries he was involved with, but I'm not finding a lot in the way of news articles which focus on him in particular (note that these don't have to be in English, so Serbian sources might help, nor do they have to be online as long as they're properly cited). --Finngall ^talk 21:16, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Have you tried sūdoku instead? —Antonissimo (talk) 02:25, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I know a retired librarian. She is much more interesting than I am. TooManyFingers (talk) 05:47, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rupert Giles was a retired librarian, and his life was certainly anything but tedious. CodeTalker (talk) 18:47, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Who is the writer of the article

Can you help me find the writer of the article about a food made by a minority group who immigrated to the United States, made with fruit, associated with a life event, and has an expression using the food to refer to that event without naming the event? The article was written between 2013 and 2023. ~2025-37570-50 (talk) 21:28, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You don't specify the article you are seeking information about(or perhaps you don't know that either), but every article has an edit history that you can examine to see which editors contributed to it. 331dot (talk) 21:31, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Frankly, this sounds like a question in some kind of trivia contest. That's not something we do here. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:39, 2 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The answer is "fruitcake". TooManyFingers (talk) 00:49, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If Fruitcake is the article being discussed, then 980 editors have contributed to that article. Cullen328 (talk) 02:05, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just for laughs, I asked a populat search engine's AI function "What is . . ." followed by the OP's description, and it answered Apple pie, though its justifications (like the associated 'life event' being "being American") seemed to me dubious at best. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 21:49, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sintered Stone

Wikipedia needs to explain "Sintered Stone"

Usage:

which are sales sites

Related Wikipedia pages:

On December 13, 2023, the Australian government banned engineered quartz stone (EQS) due to escalating concerns about silicosis.

Piñanana (talk) 02:13, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If your point is that the WP articles mentioned do not adequately mention or explain the phrase, you can go ahead and put links to sintering at appropriate places in those articles, and perhaps expand the Sintering article to cover stone if its coverage of that subtopic is inadequate. —Antonissimo (talk) 02:30, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I took the liberty of reformatting your lists for brevity and clarity. —Antonissimo (talk) 02:32, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Piñanana: I suggest you add a redirect from Sintered stone to Engineered stone, and then expand the Engineered stone article to explain that it includes Sintered stone. -Arch dude (talk) 17:01, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I just don't know what to do anymore.

Is there a reasonable middle ground here? When I'm bold and courageous in making the edits I consider necessary, I'm criticized for being confrontational. But when I try to strictly follow the rules and regulations, I'm criticized again and demanded to be bold. When I was a bold newcomer, I was easily accused of being destructive, while my attempts to establish communication being ignored. But when I try to explain the rules to newcomers myself, I'm accused of biting them. I simply don't know how to respond anymore, because the community always seems to demand the opposite of my behavior when I try to meet their expectations. Solaire the knight (talk) 06:02, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are you perhaps spending a lot of your time here on articles about subjects of great interest to a lot of people? In recent months I've spent a disproportionate amount of my own time on what's in Category:Otto Jespersen and on Mechanical Turk: few other editors have shown themselves to be much interested in either (which hasn't surprised me); and although a handful of edits by others have irritated me and I imagine that a handful of mine have irritated others, at no point have I felt greatly annoyed and I've no reason to think that anyone else has either. -- Hoary (talk) 08:41, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I feel like I'm suffering from the inconsistency of the community's mechanisms, ending up as the main "loser" in any situation, regardless of whether I act aggressively or passively. Solaire the knight (talk) 08:57, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Topedits says that you've made the greatest number of edits to Oshi no Ko, List of animated series with LGBTQ characters: 2020–present, Lycoris Recoil, List of animated series with LGBTQ characters, and Mobile Suit Gundam: The Witch from Mercury. I'm not surprised that quarrels break out among people editing these. Where I edit, there are no "winners" or "losers" among the (few) editors. How about editing articles on subjects unrelated to animated series? -- Hoary (talk) 11:01, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This has nothing to do with any particular topic. Wiki conflicts can arise even from absolutely trivial issues in a highly specialized topic. Solaire the knight (talk) 11:06, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I suspect that it has plenty to do with particular topics. Animated series have their fans, and many of these are excitable teenagers. LGBTQ matters may arouse great indignation among the self-described "defenders of traditional values", etc. By contrast, I've yet to hear of any Otto Jespersen or Mechanical Turk "fandom", let alone of anyone offended by either subject or by the way either is sometimes described. -- Hoary (talk) 11:32, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Any hot topic can attract hot-blooded people with any views on the topic. For example, if you write articles about American politics, you can easily find yourself in conflict with both the left and the right. I've met people who, on one hand, were obsessed with removing the word LGBTQ from an article about a show with explicit lesbian relationships, and on the other, people who waged a crusade against MAGA on the wiki and didn't even hide it. It's easier to avoid hot topics altogether. Solaire the knight (talk) 11:53, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Any topic can, yes, but in fact any topic doesn't - only some do. Avoiding hot topics is very easy to do, in practice. TooManyFingers (talk) 12:39, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It all depends on the situation. But in hot topics, the chances of such a situation arising are certainly higher. Solaire the knight (talk) 12:55, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Are you maybe saying you've become addicted-ish to drama-filled discussions and you're not sure if that's good or bad? TooManyFingers (talk) 18:31, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Therefore avoid hot topics for a few months or longer. (Bonus: The world outside animations is a fascinating place.) -- Hoary (talk) 21:53, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I admire Novial; does that make me a Jespersen fan? —Antonissimo (talk) 01:22, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Antonissimo, I think you're OK as long as the back of your F150 lacks a sticker promising "I'll give you my copy of Novial Lexike when you pry it from my cold, dead hands". -- Hoary (talk) 02:19, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

F150, moi? Hardly. —Antonissimo (talk) 02:23, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Antonissimo, your T24 has no rear bumper for a bumper sticker. -- Hoary (talk) 07:27, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I tried guessing: 1. An obscure (incorrect) Spanish word meaning "bride-ish"; 2. New-fangled drug packaging that doesn't include vials. Oh well. :) TooManyFingers (talk) 06:40, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

New User Guidance

My name is Michel F Bryant. How do I find and reach out to a Wikipedia mentor that will help me develop as a contributor to Wikipedia articles? I am still in the process of setting up, and my talk page will completed today 12/3/25, by noon EDT. Thanks Michel F Bryant (talk) 13:01, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Michel F Bryant, I've deleted your user page which you have used for self-promotion, and I've posted guidance on your talk page. Please don't use Wikipedia to write about yourself Jimfbleak - talk to me? 13:36, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I did not use my page for self promotion intentionally. I thought I was following instructions. And for you to delete a full nights work is very inconsiderate. You gave me notice that I had not done it correctly. I IMMEDIATELY go in to make corrections and find my hard word completely deleted within minutes. I had already sent a message to my ASSIGNED mentor, asking for feedback to ensure I followed instructions. This is not how I start my days, dealing with unnecessary frustrations. Michel F Bryant (talk) 15:02, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps User:Jimfbleak will kindly restore the page and move it to, say, Draft:Michel F. Bryant, where you can continue to improve it? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:51, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you want a mentor, read WP:MENTOR, but honestly the best thing to do is just read WP:TUTORIAL and get started. Be bold! There's no need to be scared of making mistakes on Wikipedia; any change you make is always reversible, and so long as it's done in good faith, all is well. Athanelar (talk) 13:37, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There is a need to be afraid of making mistakes! I was assigned a mentor this morning, shortly after I requested one. Someone went in and accused me of intentionally self promoting my work. I looked a a lot of the examples and thought I did what was requested. Within minutes of being notified of my error, my entire nights work was deleted, before I could make changes. All the person had to do was point out my misunderstanding, and watch as I made corrections. Considering we were in communication. I find that to be rude and disrespectful. Michel F Bryant (talk) 15:11, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, there were really no 'corrections' to be made from the sounds of it; Wikipedia is not social media, and your userpage is not supposed to be an in-depth bio about yourself. You'd've had to remove most of what you wrote to make it acceptable anyway; better to wipe the whole thing and start over.

Instead of focusing on trying to write a good userpage, why not jump right in to reading pages you're imterested in and looking for ways to improve them? See Help:Contributing to Wikipedia Athanelar (talk) 15:42, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but I have no problem deleting inappropriate material, especially if I am learning in the process. I can easily pull and show where I received my erroneous, and conflicting instructions concerning how to prepare a Wikipedia User page. It is okay though. I will wait to here from my assigned mentor, and gain clarity then. Also, if I am making critical errors at this stage, I would hate to make the same kind of errors on someone else's work. Michel F Bryant (talk) 15:58, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You shouldn't think of anything on Wikipedia as any one person's 'work.' Nobody 'owns' a Wikipedia article, even if they wrote it entirely or mostly by themselves. We generally follow something called the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle; you find an article you think could be improved (needs copyediting or another source etc), you boldly make the improvement, if somebody disagrees with you, they revert your changes, and then you discuss on the article's talk page whether the change should be made or not, or if there's another compromise etc Athanelar (talk) 16:10, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I posted masses of guidance on this user's talk page, which he has now blanked. I explained in detail why his "profile" was inappropriate. He has no discernable notability, and the book that he is trying to promote is self-published by his own publishing entity. The content of his draft, once stripped of the promo, boils down to "Michel F Bryant is a Christian, author and teacher, he has written and self-published a book." Pigsonthewing, it's a kind thought, but there is nothing in deleted user page worth keeping, although I don't mind if another admin sees fit to restore. It seems very likely that if he recreates, the draft will be declined on notability grounds if nothing else, and there is a risk that he'll get himself blocked as "Not here to create an encyclopaedia" or for promotion. He's asked for someone to mentor him, and that seems like a very good idea Jimfbleak - talk to me? 17:08, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Article

Hi, I’m writing an article about three lakes in Nova Scotia: Lower Beaver Lake, Middle Beaver Lake, and Upper Beaver Lake. Should I:

Make one combined article with a descriptive title such as “Lower, Middle and Upper Beaver Lakes”, or
Create three separate short pages?

What is the best article title in this situation?

Thanks! Versions111 (talk • contribs) 13:28, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(OpenStreetMap link) Versions111 (talk • contribs) 13:31, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What about just Beaver Lakes, or maybe Beaver Lakes (Canada) if you want to avoid people thinking it's some phenomenon associated with beaver dams Athanelar (talk) 13:35, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I couldn’t find any reliable sources that use “Beaver Lakes” as a collective name for Lower Beaver Lake, Middle Beaver Lake, and Upper Beaver Lake, not sure it will meet WP:COMMONNAMES Versions111 (talk • contribs) 14:15, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I thought as much, but then why are they named like that to begin with? They've been linguistically grouped together for some reason or another at some point. But I get what you mean, an article beginning with The Beaver Lakes are a group of three lakes in Nova Scotia, Canada... would be OR-esque if they're not commonly called that. Athanelar (talk) 14:28, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Exactly — the naming pattern does suggest a natural group, which is why it makes sense to cover them together in one article. I just want to be careful not to imply they’re officially called “Beaver Lakes,” since no sources seem to use that term. Using a descriptive title like “Lower, Middle and Upper Beaver Lakes” would let us cover them as a set while staying consistent with WP. Versions111 (talk • contribs) 14:39, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The title just seems clunky. Maybe rather than individual articles, you could expand the Beaver Dam, Nova Scotia article, since all three lakes (as well as Beaver Lake 17) seem to be near that town? You could add a #Lakes section?

I can't imagine there's really more than a stub worth of info about each of the lakes anyway, so this could be a good option? Athanelar (talk) 14:54, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good idea! i’ll try Versions111 (talk • contribs) 15:04, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done, please review Versions111 (talk • contribs) 23:14, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I reworded the section slightly, adding a preamble containing the information common to all 3 lakes to cut down on the repetition and make the section read a bit more cleanly. Athanelar (talk) 23:27, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Should i make a redirect to Upper Beaver Lake, Middle Beaver Lake, and Lower Beaver Lake? Versions111 (talk • contribs) 05:47, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, but you should make redirects from those titles. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:48, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Where do i put the coordinates? Versions111 (talk • contribs) 06:38, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Referencing errors on FIBA Basketball World Cup Most Valuable Player

Special:Diff/1325509714

Reference help requested.

Hello, I have received the following message. "Hello, I'm Qwerfjkl (bot). I have automatically detected that this edit performed by you, on the page FIBA Basketball World Cup Most Valuable Player, may have introduced referencing errors. They are as follows:

A missing title error. References show this error when they do not have a title. Please edit the article to add the appropriate title parameter to the reference."

I do not know how to fix it. Could I receive information on how to add the missing information?

Thanks, TheOneAndOnlyCactus (talk) 13:48, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@TheOneAndOnlyCactus: Fixed in this edit. When you include a URL in a ref, you have to include the title of the Web page having that URL. Deor (talk) 15:30, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia Year In Review

At the end of the review there was a poll about how I liked the review, and I entered my choice. Then followed a text area to add a comment about the review.

The text area did not allow any texting, i.e., nothing happened when I tapped in the text area.

I went through the review again but the poll did not repeat. Rossburnett (talk) 15:37, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rossburnett: Please post a link to the review you talk about. This is a help desk for the encyclopedia Wikipedia. I suspect your post is about something unrelated to us. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:48, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Here's my Wikipedia Year In Review. Created with the Wikipedia iOS app (https://apps.apple.com/app/apple-store/id324715238?pt=208305&ct=yir_2025_share&mt=8) #WikipediaYearInReview Rossburnett (talk) 15:56, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rossburnett: Thanks. I didn't find it by searching for your original heading "Year end review". Your link redirects to https://apps.apple.com/us/app/wikipedia/id324715238 for me without saying anything about Year in Review but I tried the iOS Wikipedia app and got the feature. At the poll I had a field with grey text saying "Other thoughts" in Danish, my language. The wording may be different with English interface. I could tap in the field and type. I don't know why it went wrong for you. mw:Wikimedia Apps#Updates and team information has a link on iOS where I searhed for your issue but didn't find any reports. I submitted the poll and like you, the poll and chance to comment did not appear the next time I went through the review. I guess it will never appear again when the poll has been submitted. You could try mw:Talk:Wikimedia Apps/Team/Wikipedia Year in Review/2025 Year in Review if you want to comment on the review. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:38, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,

Thank you for reporting this issue with the comment box in the Year in Review feature, and thank you as well @PrimeHunter, for sharing the additional context.

To help us look into this properly, could you please send the details to our support email at ios-support@wikimedia.org?

When you write to us, please include:

Your iOS version
Your Wikipedia app version
A screenshot or screen recording showing what happens when you try to type in the text box

Once I receive that information, I’ll share it with our engineers so they can investigate further.

Thanks again for taking the time to report this. ARamadan-WMF (talk) 12:43, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Implementing merge

I was working on implementing the merge as a result of the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/United_States_Olympic_mixed_doubles_curling_trials. I think I followed the steps, but Talk:United States Olympic curling trials now has both {{merged-from}} and {{afd-merged-from}} at the top. I assume I should delete {{merged-from}}? Just wanted to check with someone with more experience than me. Thanks! meamemg (talk) 15:44, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That is correct. (If there had instead been two pages merged here, one from AfD and one not, then having both templates would be appropriate.) jlwoodwa (talk) 20:11, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

New page for a relative

Hi there , I have a relative ( deceased) whom was famous in the photography field , he doesn't have a page but I understand I cannot write his page. I have tried to request it to be written but I don't think I am doing it right. I have all the information needed and would be happily willing to pass it over. Elaine Reynolds (talk) 15:59, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Where did you make this request? AndyTheGrump (talk) 16:01, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To be honest I am not even sure now I just clicked on photography articles. I have no clue what I am doing Elaine Reynolds (talk) 16:09, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Your edit history does not show any requests made by you; it is possible you made them while logged out of your account. 331dot (talk) 16:18, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Elaine,

When you say your relative is 'famous,' what is it that you mean? In order for someone to have a Wikipedia article, they need to have what we call notability, which essentially means that they have been written about in some depth and detail in reliable, independent, secondary sources. If you want someone on Wikipedia to write an article about him, you'd need to provide links to sources which demonstrate that he had that kind of notability, which someone could then take the information from to put in an article about him.

It's important to note that anything written by him or by anyone connected to him won't be sufficient as a source for this (except to confirm basic biographical details like his date and place of birth etc) Athanelar (talk) 16:15, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Athanelar , Thank you , he was an English photographer and directorwho took various notable portraits from the Royal family, writers , actors , politicians etc . I have links such as nationational portrait gallery, he's mentioned in a few biographies ,V&A , Smithsonian , company directories and imperial war museum. Elaine Reynolds (talk) 16:30, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Presumably this is (Hubert) Claude Harris. I found a picture on Wikimedia Commons, C:File:Miss Daisy Burrell, Claude Harris.jpg, which claims to be public domain in the US because it was published before 1930. TSventon (talk) 17:02, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Elaine Reynolds, photographing royals and other celebs does not in itself make a photographer notable. However, WP:ARTIST says: This guideline applies to... photographers, ... Such a person is likely to be notable if: [any of four, of which the fourth is:] The person's work (or works) has: [any of four, of which the fourth is:] been represented within the permanent collections of several notable galleries or museums. If examples of his work are verifiably in the V&A, the Smithsonian, this or that National Portrait Gallery, and the Imperial War Museum, then he should be notable. -- Hoary (talk) 23:27, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Elaine Reynolds Just to clarify, you are allowed to create a draft about your relative provided you use the articles for creation process, which is a good idea anyway given you are a new editor. Read the advice at this essay after you have found your way around by making edits to existing articles to get some practice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:29, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Discussing Template Wording Change

Hi! I patrol CAT:MISSFILE, and have recently been working on improving a user template related to users adding missing files to articles. The current main template is {{uw-uploadfirst}}. However, I feel a part of the wording is confusing, as it attempts to provide a list of possible reasons why the editor made the change rather than honing in on the specific cause. Given most missing images are added by new users, having simple and concise wording seems to be the best way to communicate it to them. The current wording of {{uw-uploadfirst}} seems overly complicated in how it attempts to address multiple different issues at once.

I've attempted to change the wording, and split it into two different templates (the second one being {{uw-notuploaded}}). However, my wording change on {{uw-uploadfirst}} was reverted. I attempted to discuss it with the reverting user; however, they were unwilling to discuss the matter beyond saying they deemed the wording change unnecessary.

I've started a discussion on Template index/User talk namespace, which provides further context for this issue. However, I'm not super familiar with discussing templates, so I wanted to ask here if there are any other places I could/should discuss (or processes I should use) for improving the wording of the template. Cheers, Katniss May the odds be ever in your favor ♥ 17:42, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikitext Formatting help, double centered text

Hello, I'm not even sure if this is the right place to ask this, but this is the closest place I can find. While not specifically for Wikipedia but a different wiki that also uses Wikitext, I am trying to recreate the end credits of something into text format, and have been wanting to remake the same look it has.

I am looking for a way to make the text center to the middle of the page, but with 2 lines of text aligned to one another, as how credits usually look in movies and such. The best thing I can do is the normal "Center text layout", but that doesn't make the roles and name separation neatly in the middle.

It's really difficult to say what I want to do without being able to show it, but I really hope that anyone reading this understands what I am trying to say! QwertyPc Game17 (talk) 18:05, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know the rules of the place where you want to put this, and what I'm about to say would normally be a dumb idea, but ... what if you made a two-column table, with the text left-aligned in one column and right-aligned in the other, some padding on the interior border between the columns ... and made all the borders invisible? I've never tried that so I don't know if it can even be done. TooManyFingers (talk) 18:22, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'll give it a try anyways, thanks for the suggestion! QwertyPc Game17 (talk) 18:26, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@QwertyPc Game17: Something like this:

**Cast**
Alice	JANE DOE
Bob	JOHN D. DOE

With right-aligned names:

**Cast**
Alice	JANE DOE
Bob	JOHN D. DOE

PrimeHunter (talk) 19:51, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This:

<div style="width: 50%; float: left; text-align: right;"> :A :B :C </div> <div style="float: left; margin-left: .5em; text-align: left;"> :1 :2 :3 </div> <br style="clear: both;">

will give you this:

A

B

C

1

2

3

- Erik Baas (talk) 19:58, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is perfect! Thank you so so much! QwertyPc Game17 (talk) 20:04, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@QwertyPc Game17:<nitpicking>The code is simpler than my version but the columns will lose alignment if there is any line-wrapping, and screen readers probably won't make a connection between the columns.</nitpicking> PrimeHunter (talk) 21:23, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

changing the title of a page (company name has changed)

How do I update the page title? My nonprofit, Audubon Canyon Ranch, has changed its name to All Hands Ecology and while I've updated the page content, I didn't see a way to update the title. AllHandsEcology (talk) 19:27, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done, I have moved the page to All Hands Ecology

Please review the conflict of interest guidelines if you have any intention to continue editing that page. Athanelar (talk) 21:08, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph Chamberlain's place of death

Although Wikipedia lists Joseph Chamberlain's place of death as Birmingham, the following sources report that he actually died in London: [5] ; [6] ; [7] ; [8] ; [9] ; [10]. Perhaps this should be corrected. ~2025-38316-99 (talk) 22:44, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @~2025-38316-99. Thank you for pointing this out. I see you have raised this at Talk:Joseph Chamberlain, which is the best place to do so.

Looking at the article, I see it is tagged with {{more sources needed}}, and the claim about his death is both unsourced and unclear (the text doesn't actually say that he died in Birmingham). Given that you have those sources, I suggest that you edit the article appropriately, citing whichever one of the sources you think is best. ColinFine (talk) 23:02, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How do I create a page for my company?

I've tried before and it has not worked, although we are a large company with many secondary articles and sources about us. Our main competitors (same size, same market) are on there, I am wondering why we are not? ~2025-38239-41 (talk) 23:30, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Firstly, you need to read Wikipedia:Conflict of interest and Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure, since both clearly apply. Secondly, there are large numbers of Wikipedia articles that don't comply with current Wikipedia policy, making them irrelevant to any discussion regarding new content. And thirdly, there is no such thing as an article for a company: Wikipedia hosts articles about companies, where they meet our notability criteria, and based solely on what independent reliable sources have to say about the subject. Which may not necessarily always be things the company would like. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:36, 3 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Any articles about your company in independent sources cannot be press releases, staff interviews, brief mentions, or the mere reporting of routine business activities(like the commencement of operations or the raising of capital).

That there is an article about your competitor does not necessarily mean that they wrote it, our articles are typically written by independent editors wholly unconnected with the subject. Wikipedia does not provide equal time to all companies in a field, coverage depends on the sources. 331dot (talk) 00:04, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse.

You've indicated that you want to write an article about a company or organisation you appear to have a connection to.

First of all, we strongly discourage editors from creating or editing articles relating to subjects they have a connection to, especially in the case of corporations and organisations where this usually takes the form of paid editing. If you still wish to proceed, please thoroughly read everything below.

Warning against COI editing

First and foremost this is because conflict of interest editing often results in issues with the neutral point of view expected on Wikipedia, due to biases whether consciously or unconsciously. While you may not intend to be biased, the types of information you include or exclude from an article are likely to be skewed by your connection to the subject. It's also very common for conflicts of interest to result in promotional writing such as advertisement-like articles for companies or resume-like articles for people. You may innocently intend to 'raise awareness' or 'correct misinformation' about the subject, but this is still promotion, and promotion of any kind is not allowed on Wikipedia.

People with conflicts of interest tend to be very bad at gauging whether the thing they're writing about meets Wikipedia's notability guidelines. In order for a subject to have a Wikipedia article it needs to be 'notable,' which is a word that has a particular and slightly unintuitive meaning here on Wikipedia. There are a number of different criteria for notability depending on the subject, such as the 'general' notability guidelines, the guidelines for notability of companies or organisations, the notability of creative professionals etc. The vast majority of people and companies are not notable in the Wikipedia sense, and do not warrant a Wikipedia article about them. A good rule of thumb is that if a person or company is notable enough to justify a Wikipedia article, then soon enough somebody else will write it for them, and there's no need to do it yourself. So if you're here to write an article about yourself or someone or something connected to you, it's generally a good indicator that the subject does not yet meet Wikipedia's notability requirements. A special note is necessary here that ChatGPT and other AIs do not understand Wikipedia notability. It's very common for COI-writing newcomers to get themselves confused because they ask ChatGPT whether they should write an article about themselves/their company and it spits out a few trivial sources and claims that these sources constitute 'notability.' You need to thoroughly read the notability guidelines relating to the subject you want to write about and make sure you understand whether the available sources support the notability of the subject. Do not try to take shortcuts by asking an AI, it will likely be wrong.

It's very common that articles written by those connected to the subject end up being written backwards. This means that you first write the article with everything you know about the subject due to your connection to it, and then try to find sources to confirm the information you've written. This is the wrong way to write a Wikipedia article. As an encyclopedia, the purpose of Wikipedia is to summarise the existing information available about a subject in reliable, independent secondary sources. The goal is not to present new information or to synthesise multiple existing sources to provide new conclusions. When writing an article you must first search for sources relating to the subject (appropriate sources, those meeting the golden rule) and only include information in the article which is written in the sources. You may well know information about the subject which is not available in any of the existing sources, but you must not include this kind of 'original research' in your article. It is understandably frustrating to want to provide certain information and not be able to, but that is the limitation of writing for an encyclopedia, and precisely why we strongly discourage people from writing about subjects they are connected to. If the existing sources don't say it, you can't put it in an article.

You should also keep in mind that having an article about yourself, your company etc is not always a good thing. You (or the person or company you're writing on behalf of) do not own the article, and cannot control what is in it. If you're writing about this company because you're an employee and your boss or colleagues have asked you to do it, then please thoroughly read WP:BOSS and report the information therein back to them.

If after reading all of that, you still think you can go ahead and beat the odds and create this article, then follow the steps below.

Writing a COI article

First, and most important, you need to disclose your conflict of interest. There are instructions on how to do this at WP:COI If your conflict of interest involves being paid to create this article, you should follow the instructions at WP:PAID to disclose that also.

Next, heed what I said above about not writing an article backwards. You need to forget everything you know about the subject of the article, which is obviously the most difficult part. Search Google and elsewhere for sources first. Remember that those sources need to be reliable, independent and secondary. Avoid trivial coverage such as listicles, especially when writing about companies as this type of day-to-day corporate coverage is very common. The sources you use need to actually prove the subject's notability (according to the most relevant guidelines) as I discussed above, which passing/trivial coverage does not. If you use ChatGPT or another AI to find sources for you (which you shouldn't), you must double-check the sources yourself and verify that they actually say what the AI claims they do, because source-to-text inconsistencies are extremely common when using LLMs to search for sources.

Once that's done, you can extract information from the sources and write your article. For guidance on that, follow Help:Your first article and feel free to ask any more specific questions here at the Teahouse.

Athanelar (talk) 03:47, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Draft

I want to place draft of my profile Muhammad Ahmad Bello (talk) 01:13, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

(sigh) —Antonissimo (talk) 01:28, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you mean you want to create a draft article about yourself? Athanelar (talk) 03:45, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Muhammad Ahmad Bello Wikipedia does not have profiles, and users are strongly discouraged from writing a draft about themselves. See WP:AUTO for our policy. Make your own website or use social media for writing your profile. Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:24, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How do I ask this better?

I've been trying to start a group (and eventually a project). To do this, I need to invite members, but I don't know many people too closely, especially not ones who would seem interested in this. I tried to reach out to people I've worked with in the past, or who seem familiar, but many of them ignored me. Does anyone have advice for a better way to ask this from people, than to randomly ask "hey how are you, want to join this group"? Wikieditor662 (talk) 04:34, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

People are rejecting the group, so consider dropping the group and doing things differently.

You can't make people join. TooManyFingers (talk) 05:43, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Another thought: people tend to avoid groups that don't exist yet or aren't doing anything yet. You probably have to do all the work by yourself for a long time first. TooManyFingers (talk) 05:51, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the advice! You probably have to do all the work by yourself for a long time first. I already have been. And I'm assuming if I reach out to more people, statistically more will join, I just need a better strategy for speaking to them. I did get two people to join so far... Wikieditor662 (talk) 06:08, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Bias in articles

Why is it that trump is targeted in his page yet Joe Biden is not. His health is briefly mentioned but the mass illegal border crossings, illegal alien crime rate rises, and the support of the LGBT indoctrination is not? Very biased that is why I will not be donating this year ~2025-38360-80 (talk) 06:50, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for your generosity in past years. -- Hoary (talk) 07:30, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

citation needed

Breaky01 (talk) 17:08, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Reality often has a liberal bias, as the saying goes. Quite frankly, the fact that those aren't mentioned means they either didn't happen or nobody worth listening to is talking about them. mgjertson (talk) (contribs) 17:50, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@~2025-38360-80: Please read Talk:Donald Trump/Response to claims of bias. OutsideNormality (talk) 19:28, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Ahillya Harjani, Yeoh Kay Ee redirects

Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 November 25#Ahillya Harjani, Yeoh Kay Ee

This discussion seems to have been forgotten altogether. I request an administrator to have a look over it. Thankyou! zglph^•talk• 16:07, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Why is Google Chrome in the top read articles so often?

I wasn't sure where to ask this, so I figured this was a safe bet. At least on the mobile app, you can see the top read articles each week. Why is Google Chrome consistently near the top? It doesn't seem like there's been anything major enough in the news that it should be trending like this for so long. Thanks. 🏳️‍🌈JohnLaurens333 (need something? Ping me!) 16:15, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Google Chrome is currently averaging around 300,000 pageviews a day, which is quite a lot for a web browser. Its appearance at the top of the November 2025 chart is something of a mystery. Maybe someone can explain this.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:56, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Views increased on 16 September. According to Google AI On September 16, 2025, Google's Threat Analysis Group (TAG) identified and reported a critical, actively exploited zero-day vulnerability in the Chrome browser's V8 JavaScript engine. I don't know whether those facts are connected. TSventon (talk) 17:11, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Editing A Page

Courtesy link: Talk:Ryah Nixon § Outdated Page

Hi! I submitted a conflict of interest request for a friend about a month ago. She's wondering when her page will be fixed as many people are now looking her up and the information currently on her wiki is incredibly out of date. It's Ryah Nixon. OneMoreFanBway (talk) 17:41, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@OneMoreFanBway We don't consider WP:IMDb as a reliable source because it is user generated, like Wikipedia. However, playbill.com should be fine for non-controversial facts. If you could add sources from newspapers or magazines, that would be even better. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:26, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Okay! What if the information comes directly from the person who is the subject of the article? There's no real source for that. Thank you! @Michael D. Turnbull OneMoreFanBway (talk) 05:29, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We allow certain information to come directly from article subjects provided it is published, for example via social media. See WP:ABOUTSELF. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:22, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

okay great thanks! I added sources. what is the next step for me to do to get it approved and changed? OneMoreFanBway (talk) 15:05, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Asking to remove and replace the entire page is quite drastic and much more likely to be rejected. People have the ability to propose changes, not rewrites. If it was me looking at that request, I would be strongly inclined to just put "No" and refuse to change a thing. TooManyFingers (talk) 07:13, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Correct escalation for editor not responding to warnings?

Asking about the general rather than the specific case so I'll know where to bring things like this in the future. So twice now I've reverted a promotional edit, warned the editor, and once again they've added it back without responding to my messages or even including an edit summary. I'm hesitant to revert this third time and break WP:3RR or truly turn this into an edit war. And I don't want to over-escalate to ANI too soon if that's not appropriate. But I don't know what else to do with a user who is unresponsive to talk page warnings. Is there an intermediate option? -- Avocado (talk) 19:01, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Avocado. You might consider taking it to WP:ANEW. ColinFine (talk) 19:39, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't one of us have to revert three times before it qualifies for intervention there? And in this case, I'd be the first to cross that line, if I revert again. -- Avocado (talk) 19:47, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Avocado: it depends why you are reverting the user. For spamming, Wikipedia:Spam#Dealing with spam suggests going to WP:AIV. TSventon (talk) 19:58, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. In this case, that guideline does probably apply. -- Avocado (talk) 20:11, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Update

hi I just updated it Sheila Newbold (talk) 19:09, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Sheila Newbold. What did you just update? This is the first edit you've made in months. ColinFine (talk) 19:42, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

She edited User talk:Sheila Newbold/sandbox but the page was deleted after the post so it can only be seen by administrators. @Sheila Newbold: Do you have a question? PrimeHunter (talk) 23:25, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The deleted draft is about one Martin Newbold. Particularly conspicuous within it is an unreferenced three-paragraph section devoted to Newbold's "Proposed dramatical works". -- Hoary (talk) 03:26, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I was always mildly embarrassed that my mother, who had a typewriter, would write about things nobody needed or wanted to know. I never imagined that one day I'd be nostalgic for when it was just typewriters, and therefore not necessary to embarrass the entire world. TooManyFingers (talk) 07:47, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Article Hover Thumbnail Change

Hi, I've noticed recently that there was a change to the interface, where now when you hover your mouse over a linked article of a person, the thumbnail is now on top and horizontal, rather than how it used to be which is on the side and vertical. Im just wondering why that is because not only is it just objectively ugly, but most articles use vertical portraits for that cover image so the formatting is wrong for the thumbnail and it cuts off half of their face, which is kind of an important part of a portrait. ~2025-38474-57 (talk) 23:05, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@~2025-38474-57: Please always give an example when you report an issue. The image is to the right for me for every person I have tried, e.g. Tom Stoppard. It may move to the top if the image width is larger than the height but that's rare for a person. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:19, 4 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@PrimeHunter My bad, some examples include Barack Obama, James K. Polk, John Thune, Dick Durbin, Rob Manfred, Jim Thome, Manny Machado, Pete Alonso, LeBron James, Anthony Edwards to name a few. ~2025-38517-61 (talk) 01:14, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@~2025-38474-57: They all display the image to the right for me unless I zoom a lot in my browser. Do you have a large zoom or small window? Has it changed recently? If you change something then reload the page before testing the image placement. What is your browser? PrimeHunter (talk) 01:48, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Did I submit my draft or did I do it wrong?

Hello Wiki Ninjas!

I just attempted to submit an article I drafted in my sandbox for review. I thought I was doing it right but now I think i messed it up. When I hit the submit button, it said it needed to be a named draft - so I moved it to Draft: Andrew Torba - but now there's no option to submit. Will it be reviewed or do I need to do more for that to happen? JesseL0vesT0ast (May the toast be with you.) (talk) 00:29, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like ColinFine went ahead and added the draft template to the top of the draft for you, which has the button to submit it for review. Athanelar (talk) 01:01, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @JesseL0vesT0ast.

I'm not sure what the message was that you got; but the "submit" button was in the box generated from the {{user sandbox}} header.

Once you moved it to Draft space (which should not have been necessary, but wasn't wrong), that header was no longer appropriate, and a bot came along and deleted it.

I have now added a header appropriate to draft space, so you can submit it for review. ColinFine (talk) 01:02, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks bestie! JesseL0vesT0ast (May the toast be with you.) (talk) 16:54, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Using library catalogue as a date reference

Kind of an odd citation question here. Is it ever appropriate to use a library's catalogue description as a source for dates/facts? I was looking for sources to update the article for the art publication ARTnews, and while I've found reliable independent sources for most of the major changes in their recent history, I can't find any solid reporting on their most recent change: the publication ceased its quarterly print issues entirely, and is now completely digital-only apart from a single annual "Top 200 Collectors" print issue, provided as a supplement for subscribers of Art in America. The only place this is detailed in any way is in several library catalogues, for example, the Getty's catalogue listing for the publication, which specifies that the December 2021/January 2022 issue (vol. 120, no. 6) was the final regular print issue of the magazine. Is it appropriate to use this listing as a source for a general statement like "The publication ceased quarterly print issues in January 2022"? Just feels semi-original research-y as a source, but it's also the only thing I can find. Thanks for any advice! 19h00s (talk) 00:35, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I went to the publication's website, thinking surely there must be some sort of ...

But no. Their website is as useful and informative as a bronzed pancake. TooManyFingers (talk) 01:22, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah there's a whole history there, lol, so I'm not surprised they haven't been clear about the changes. Peter Brant bought ARTnews and Art in America (along with several other smaller magazines), merged them and made ARTnews quarterly and slowed the print schedule of AiA, before selling them to Penske Media, which subsequently bought Artforum and shut down its sister publication Bookforum. So Penske now owns all of what were, until recently, considered the "big three" American art magazines (ARTnews, Art in America, and Artforum), and presumably has, at the very least, a public relations incentive to minimize any news about their winding down of various parts of those magazines. But in all my searches, even non-Penske art outlets like Hyperallergic, The Art Newspaper, or Artnet News haven't covered the end of the quarterly ARTnews print run, nor have bigger outlets which report on media news. 19h00s (talk) 01:50, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

One option that is open to you is to contact those "bigger outlets" yourself, and suggests that they run a story. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 07:40, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Andy. I already sent messages to relevant reporters a few months ago when this first came on my radar as needing updates; no responses, as expected, because this is 4-year-old news at this point. Any advice on the library catalogue citation question? 19h00s (talk) 10:42, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The source is reliable, so I don't see why you can't cite it using the template {{cite web}}. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:29, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, will do. Appreciate the advice, y'all! Just didn't want to use something odd like this as a source without at least checking first. 19h00s (talk) 22:30, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Links

Why is there not a link to certain topics? For example, I looked for a fruit from a genre and the fruit is not on the scientific name list of another article. It is like either the scientific name is made up or intentionally the name is omitted because there is not even a dead link (red lettering) ~2025-38184-63 (talk) 02:51, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Absence of links to certain topics can be for myriad reasons. You looked for a fruit from a genre and the fruit is not on the scientific name list of another article: which fruit, genre, and article? -- Hoary (talk) 03:19, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @~2025-38184-63. This is not an answer to your question, but a clarification, because I think people might be confused by one point in your question. I suspect that you mean to refer to a taxonomic genus. In English we do not use genre to mean a biological classification, but only a category of artistic work, such as books, records, or paintings. (I know in some other languages "genre" is used more widely) ColinFine (talk) 16:36, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Issue - styleguide

Hello. As you can see from my acct age, I am brand new here. I created this account because the page for Yacouba Sawadogo edited by user ihateschool7? (Acct created December 4) is written poorly, with a unprofessional, amateure tone and a source sited is chatgpt. How do I/we fix this, and/or am I asking in the right place? I've been running around lists of notice boards for a while I feel like I'm going in circles. Thank you! XbluestorkX (talk) 08:15, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@XbluestorkX Welcome to Help desk.

Done I've restored the article Yacouba Sawadogo to it better revision, you did the right thing and this is the right place. Thank you, Happy editing. Cheers. CONFUSED SPIRIT(Thilio).Talk 08:38, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! For fixing the page and letting me know I was in the right place. Cheers! XbluestorkX (talk) 21:05, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Heya, Craig gass, and Chris kael....

they both don't have a Wikipedia page. I can help. ~2025-38617-91 (talk) 11:22, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Gass has an article. It's rather feeble. If good sources exist, you could help to improve it. -- Hoary (talk) 11:49, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @~2025-38617-91.

You are welcome to improve any article - but please do not introduce any information into an article (especially an article about a living person) unless you can cite a reliable published source for the information - information you know only from your experience, or from unreliable sources such as social media, is not generally acceptable. Please see WP:verifiability and WP:referencing for beginners.

If you want to add something but you're not sure how to, post a question or suggestion on the talk page of the particular article.

As for creating a new article: My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 16:44, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How can you contact anyone at this fake site

Apparently some weirdo has hacked my IP and wikipedia banned edits because of whatever this weirdo was doing. How do i inform someone of this theft of my IP and get it to stop? The ifiots that run this crap are also liars, money grubbers and cant figure out a webiste isnt an email domain (you cant email to info-enwikimedia.org, you IDIOTS).... I see exactly why that weirdo attacked yall, you seriously deserve it lol like WOW..... you arent worth donations at all lol yikes ~2025-38709-08 (talk) 14:21, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@~2025-38709-08 You were likely assigned a blocked IP address by your Internet Service Provider. Wikipedia has no control over what IP your ISP assigns you. Either contact your ISP and ask them to re-assign you, wait for your IP to change naturally, or create a free Wikipedia account. qcne (talk) 14:25, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Very curious as to why you want to edit here if we're fake and deserve attacks. If you don't want to give the Wikimedia Foundation money, then don't. Their finances are fairly stable. We editors aren't given the money. 331dot (talk) 14:28, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If someone has actually 'hacked your IP', I suggest you contact your internet provider, as Wikipedia clearly can't do anything about it. Though maybe you need to read up on Dynamic IP address allocation first. As for email, the correct address is info-en@wikimedia.org, per the link at Wikipedia:Contact us. And as for the rest, nobody obliges you to either donate here, or look at Wikipedia at all. Plenty of other people seem happy enough to do both, though whether the Wikimedia Foundation (which actually solicits the donations, rather than Wikipedia) actually needs the level of funding it currently receives is a matter of debate. AndyTheGrump (talk) 14:32, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@~2025-38709-08: It's unlikely your IP address was "hacked". The same IP address can be shared by many Internet connections or many devices on the same connection, and some blocks are for ranges of IP addresses. As a measure against spammers harvesting email addresses, an address like info-en

wikimedia.org is often written in a way where @ is not normal text and may not be included by your browser when you copy-paste. Humans are expected to realize they have to include @. If you saw a place with no visible @ then please link it. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:20, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I need to talk to someone to report about a manager

Ineed totalk to someone about report a mangager ~2025-38738-63 (talk) 18:11, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

We don't have "managers" here. If you have a grievance related to Wikipedia, please tell what it is about so we can direct you to the proper place. 331dot (talk) 18:12, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

AUTOLOGOUT

WP:AUTOLOGOUT

I can reproduce this bug by using https://auth.wikimedia.org/zhwiki/wiki/Special:PasswordReset. Every time I visit this page, I automatically log out. ᒿ.ᒿ.ᒿ.ᒿ (talk) 19:05, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I visited that page, and am still logged in. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:11, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think the reason why he appears is probably because the IP he used was only banned by the Chinese-pedia website but has not been banned on other websites. L79 (talk) 18:44, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nominating an article for deletion

I've try to nominate an article following the steps listed on the header that appeared at the top of the page after adding the template {{subst:Article for deletion}} to the top of the article — namely,

Adding {{subst:Article for deletion}} to the article: [11];
Creating a discussion page;
Adding {{Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Coupled entropy}} to the log of articles nominated for deletion of the day: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Log/2025_December_5&diff=prev&oldid=1325901084

However, as evidenced by the way this log looks, I evidently messed up somewhere. I'm not sure where, though — can someone help?

Cheers, Malparti (talk) 21:52, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. You need to use our standard template for creating the discussion: {{subst:afd2|pg=Coupled entropy|text=...}}. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 22:08, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The easiest way is to use WP:Twinkle. Enable it under your 'gadgets' ans then under the new 'TW' dropdown on an article there's an 'XfD' option to list articles for deletion. Athanelar (talk) 22:15, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Great — thanks! Malparti (talk) 23:16, 5 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nationality parameter in infoboxes

What is the process to review a decision that may not have been fully thought out - removal of nationality parameter in infoboxes?

Recently, a decision was made, quite quickly, with a small number of user comments, to remove the "nationality" parameter from infoboxes, see the discussion at Template:Infobox person#Remove and truly deprecate nationality. This parameter had been around for years, and appears in the infoboxes of hundreds of articles about people, using several different infoboxes. It basically repeats the country in the intro paragraph, which is basically what a person's infobox is intended to do, to provide a quick and accurate summary of the person. Prior to the removal of the "nationality" parameter, the guidance within Wikipedia was to only use the parameter when appropriate, not necessarily in every case. That guidance made sense and was generally followed.

To be blunt, the decision to remove the "nationality" parameter did not fully anticipate its ramifications. The article Mark S. Smith is a perfect example where the "nationality" parameter is not only useful, it is necessary. The parameter still exists in the article's infobox text, but because it is deprecated, it is no longer shown to users. Smith was born in Paris, leading users to think that he is French, when in fact he is American. There are many other articles like that, where not displaying the nationality might lead users astray when a person from one country is born in another.

It's been suggested by some to use the "citizenship" parameter instead, but that can be problematic, since it is rare to find a verifiable source identifying a person's citizenship, which is more specific than nationality.

It is important to reconsider the decision to remove the "nationality" parameter and to restore it, with the previous guidance to only use it when appropriate.

The question is: What is the process to review a decision and request its reversion? Thanks, Truthanado (talk) 00:28, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There was a great deal more discussion than that, and the discussion you mentioned actually links to an earlier one.

But here's my impression of generally what the problem is: VERY large numbers of people misuse the "nationality", pretending it means race or ethnicity. Wikipedia is making a big effort to prevent and prohibit identifying anyone's race or ethnicity, and a recent part of that effort has been to physically take away a slot that has so often been misused for that purpose.

If people in general weren't so keen to abuse the "nationality" slot in that way, then I'd agree with you. In any case, I get the feeling (from why it's been done) that it won't really be up for renegotiation. TooManyFingers (talk) 02:40, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@TooManyFingers: "Wikipedia is making a big effort to prevent and prohibit identifying anyone's race or ethnicity"— I do not believe that to be the case. What makes you think it is? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:44, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As I understand it, the push is not to simply add race or ethnicity to a biography unless it is especially important to the reader's understanding. But people were becoming concerned that adding specific ethnicities to infoboxes and articles was being done for illegitimate reasons. On nationality in infoboxes, the main discussion happened in mid-2024 and there was some follow-through here. I also have seen an extensive discussion mentioning "tagging" ethnicities somewhere on Wikipedia but unfortunately I can't find it right now. --Edwin Herdman (talk) 19:15, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If that's a reply to me, thank you, but none of it constitutes "a big effort to prevent and prohibit identifying anyone's race or ethnicity". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:26, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, I agree. I'm trying to clarify what (I think) happened for @TooManyFingers. --Edwin Herdman (talk) 19:48, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And you are exactly correct - thank you. I misunderstood the scope of what they were trying to do, but did understand the concept. TooManyFingers (talk) 19:53, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There's not an ideal place to appeal community consensus - see Wikipedia:Consensus#FORUMSHOP. Things are different if you can propose a specific compromise or solution, but I don't think one is needed from examples you have given - Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes#Nationality and citizenship in infoboxes seems to cover one of the possibilities you're interested in. Looking at the article Mark S. Smith, the article text makes it clear he is an American. Note that the infobox is different from article text - I think one concern was that the parameters could be more prone to misuse and lacked nuance which is sometimes appropriate. --Edwin Herdman (talk) 20:06, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Truthanado That's one of the problems with "nationality" -- definitions. You said "Smith was born in Paris, leading users to think that he is French, when in fact he is American". If someone was born in France, why isn't French the correct nationality?

I'm sure there is an explanation, but "nationality" can be vague, misunderstood, and misinterpreted. David10244 (talk) 05:12, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Jus soli#Europe. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:26, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Pigsonthewing I didn't know that; thanks. David10244 (talk) 04:27, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Image doesn't show up in article

I added the logo for the page Future Left (Sweden) to the infobox and it doesn't show up for some reason Norfuzion (talk) 01:08, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed by someone else, thanks Norfuzion (talk) 01:20, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Transcluding a portion of a page

WikiProject Arthropods' landing page at WP:ARTH shows a list of recognised content (Good and Featured content) from its project. To do this, it transcludes from Portal:Arthropods/Recognised content. I updated this portal subpage last year, but come back a year later, and there are articles obviously missing such as Actinote zikani. My idea to solve this and avoid (shoddily) duplicating information is to transclude directly from places like Wikipedia:Good articles/Natural sciences which actively curate their lists. However, there are three serious problems with this:

The arthropods only constitute a subsection of the Natural Sciences subpage, so I'm not sure how to transclude only them.
Portal:Arthropods/Recognised content prepends a good article icon to each item, unlike the Natural Sciences subpage.
The Natural Sciences subpage lacks daggers (†) to indicate extinct species. This is really important for the arthropods portal where so much recognised content is about extinct taxa.

Any suggestions? TheTechnician27 (Talk page) 02:15, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@TheTechnician27:You can transclude Wikipedia:Good articles/Natural sciences#Arthropods with:

{{#section-h:Wikipedia:Good articles/Natural sciences|Arthropods}}

Icons would look bad in a horizontal list. You can change it to a vertical list and add icons with this:

{{div col|colwidth=17em}} {{Icon|GA}} {{#invoke:String|replace|{{#section-h:Wikipedia:Good articles/Natural sciences|Arthropods}}|&nbsp;–|<br /> {{Icon|GA}}}} {{div col end}}

It relies on the output format from Module:Good Articles so it could break later. Daggers would require each such item to be marked in some way. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:12, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tamil cinema task force

Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Tamil cinema task force

I am expanding this task force, using the template examples on Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Silent films task force, but I'm having difficulty with creating the parameters Tamil-cinema-task-force=yes and Tamil=yes. What must be done? Also, Tamil cinema is a part of Indian cinema, but how do I link them? Kailash29792 (talk) 06:38, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You might need to ask at WT:WikiProjects. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:09, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

1949 BBC radio broadcast transcript

I have a typed copy of a transcript of a BBC radio broadcast which contains interesting historical, scientific and biographical information. There is a covering letter dated 1950. At over 70 years old, is it out of copyright, even though the broadcaster (and presumably writer) was alive until 1974 (i.e. the BBC copyright has expired)? Can it be used on Wikipedia, as a whole, or in part, verbatim? Tony Holkham (Talk) 11:13, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

No, in the UK copyright lasts 70 years after the death of the creator (exceptions, not relevant here, apply); regardless of who owns the copyright.

You can quote small parts, per WP:Quotations, which must be attributed; or cite it per WP:PRIMARY. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:40, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Pigsonthewing - Many thanks for that. Glad I asked. Tony Holkham (Talk) 13:08, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

wikipedia keeps asking for money

i keep getting asked for money and I see that the main user of wikapedia is AI google search as propbably all other AI searches. maybe since they are the major users of trusted information that they should be approached ~2025-38862-39 (talk) 12:52, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikimedia Enterprise does exactly that.

Past donations by Google are described at Relationship between Google and Wikipedia.

It is important that the majority of Wikipedia's funding comes from individual donors, in relatively small amounts, so that no one donor has a position of influence.

You can avoid seeing repeated requests for donations by signing up for an account (which is free) and logging in while reading. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:15, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It's an option at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-centralnotice-banners for logged in users. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:40, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Can't make edits

Hi, I tried to make a small edit to an article and just get huge red warnings about ~ my edit allowances and contravening Wikipedia rules on bots. I've never used bots and this is the first edit I've made to Wikipedia in YEARS. I don't understand why I've been excluded. By the way I make regular donations to the Wiki foundation too. ~2025-38999-98 (talk) 17:02, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@~2025-38999-98: Maybe you have a shared IP address and somebody was using a bot at the time. Does it still happen? If so, please quote the precise message. Donations have no influence on edits. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:23, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nope, i've never shared anything, and I'm extremely careful with internet security (been a software engineer for over 30 years). ~2025-38999-98 (talk) 17:27, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

They didn't mean you chose to share anything, they meant your internet provider might have put your connection on an internet address recently used by someone else. TooManyFingers (talk) 20:02, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, but I know very well that donations make no difference to editing policy - I'm not an idiot. My point I was trying to make was that I value Wikipedia highly, and not just here to cause trouble, and trying to improve the readability of an article. However if it's just a toxic place full of self-aggrandising 'moderators' then I'll take my contributions elsewhere. ~2025-38999-98 (talk) 17:36, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You refer to someone who has tried in good faith to help you as a "self-aggrandising 'moderator'". That is unacceptable.

FYI, we get people here several times a week who think that having donated gives them some kind of elevated privilege, and we know diddly squat about who you are and your career; especially as you choose to be anonymous.

As a software engineer for over 30 years, I am sure you can understand the importance of quoting any error message precisely, when reporting an issue, as you were requested to do. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:20, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@~2025-38999-98: A shared IP address is not shared by the user but by their Internet service. Most of Qatar once had the same IP address. See wikinews:Qatari proxy IP address temporarily blocked on Wikipedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:17, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@~2025-38999-98: im no expert at technical issues but you may have triggered an edit filter Theknoledgeableperson (|have a chat) 17:29, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure why. The article was an obscure mathematics article and I was making a small edit to the grammar (just a few words) ~2025-38999-98 (talk) 17:32, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A month ago Wikipedia instituted the "temporary user" system, which hides unregistered users' IPs behind a 90-day temporary account. However, it's technically equivalent with an IP address, and limitations on that IP address will unfortunately apply to your temporary account. Registering an account should allow you full access. If you could link the article you were trying to edit, that would also be helpful - "edit allowances" doesn't ring any bells here. --Edwin Herdman (talk) 18:49, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Using my legal name on my user page.

I identify myself with my legal name on my user page. I have done so for just under 20 years. Is/was that a bad idea? Is it way too late to do anything about it? What should I tell others when the first start editing.Naraht (talk) 17:53, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Naraht There's some advice at the policy page: WP:REALNAME. Many people do use their real names, not just placing them on their userpage (where you have a lot of other information which might be over-sharing). Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:58, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Michael D. Turnbull I'm going to assume that as long as I meet WP:REALNAME, I am fine. As for the rest, most of the oversharing is userboxes that already existed. I have no doubt that the US Government can track me down based on the other information on my userpage. But if the US Government is doing that, I'm guessing that the primary offices of the WMF have already departed the US.Naraht (talk) 19:25, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Woody Hayes page

A citation is cited with no credible resource that has defamed Mr. Hayes and should be removed EdwardJack101 (talk) 18:30, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This Woody Hayes? Could you be more specific about what you have an issue with? --Onorem (talk) 18:34, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Guide page

<div class=floatright style="border:1px gray solid;border-radius:10px;padding:0 1em;"> '''Flavor notes''' {{reflist|group=fl}} </div>

Is there a guide page for how to customize this material? Vastmajority20025 (talk) 18:59, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Vastmajority20025: I added <pre>...</pre> tags to make it visible what you asked about. The code is from Capri-Sun#Contents and only appears there. An editor who knows CSS probably played around with the code until they thought it looked good. We usually don't do something like this in articles but sometimes in templates. It requires knowledge of different things and we don't have a general guide. CSS is an advanced language for styling content, usually web pages. Think book, not guide page, if you want to learn CSS properly. style="border:1px gray solid;border-radius:10px;padding:0 1em;" styles a box. class=floatright positions it. They both require something to control what they apply to, in this case <div>...</div>. CSS is not a Wikipedia or MediaWiki thing, we merely allow it and pass it directly to the user's browser (we do define the class floatright somewhere). See Template:Reflist for what {{reflist|group=fl}} does. '''...''' makes bold text (maybe you knew that one). It's MediaWiki code and not CSS. Learning enough CSS to do the other stuff may be more trouble than it's worth if it's only for Wikipedia. If you want to learn about formatting in Wikipedia then I suggest you stick to Help:Wikitext which is about our own markup language and only has a few simple examples of CSS. My own CSS knowledge is rather limited but I have often used https://www.w3schools.com/css/ to look up something specific. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:57, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good article review: copyright check

Hi, I'm doing a good article review and I know that there's a copyvio check tool, but can't find it? Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 21:24, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mr Serjeant Buzfuz, may I introduce WP:EARWIG? TSventon (talk) 21:27, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, bookmarked! Mr Serjeant Buzfuz (talk) 21:37, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Does anyone know what this is about?

Received a notification about this but I have no idea what it means. Can anyone explain? Tiamut (talk) 21:39, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Tiamut, you created Palestinian pottery, you probably ~~goy~~ got a notification that a Macedonian article had been linked to it via the Wikidata item Palestinian pottery (Q137260597). TSventon (talk) 22:01, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

TSventon, I have fixed your entry above, hope that's correct. Feel free to revert if I did it wrong. --CiaPan (talk) 22:06, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you all. Sorry, I have been away for a long time and not yet used to the updated notifications system. Tiamut (talk) 22:11, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Tiamut: I guess "Connection with Wikidata" is enabled at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo. The description on the circled i is "Notify me when someone connects a page I created to a Wikidata item." So it probably wasn't the connection of the Macedonian article but of the English article. Apparently it didn't have a Wikidata item before somebody created the Macedonian article today and connceted it to the English article via a new Wikidata item which lists both articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:28, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the thorough explanation. Tiamut (talk) 06:35, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Metzger

Hello, I am the person who is the subject of this entry. It has a LOT of errors, including even my date of birth. I tried to edit it and change the image, but after a day it reverted back to the previous, factually incorrect version. What am I doing wrong? Thank you for your help and for making Wikipedia so great. Metzger.richard (talk) 21:57, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Metzger.richard.

Please read WP:AUTOPROB. In short: you should not be directly editing an article about yourself, but should make edit requests.

In those edit requests:

any information you want to add should be cited to a reliable published source. In most cases, it should be a source wholly unconnected with you. (See WP:SPS for exceptions).
If you want to challenge some information which is uncited, you will probably be successful; but any information you want to substitute must be cited as above.
If you want to challenge some information that is cited to what appears to be a reliable source, you may have a struggle. See WP:verifiability

ColinFine (talk) 23:36, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, I'm grateful for your help. Metzger.richard (talk) 23:52, 6 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

retrieve article list with insource query

how do i retrieve article list with query of insource:/\<ref\>htt(p|ps)\:/ ວາດານ (talk) 00:51, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@ວາດານ Are you trying to find articles where there are reference tags immediately followed by a bare URL link? Your idea for an insource query doesn't work but [http"&title=Special:Search&profile=advanced&fulltext=1&ns0=1">this version does and gives over 800,000 hits. Good luck with cleaning these up! WP:REFILL may help on individual articles that interest you. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:30, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How best to source old legislative documents - cite the act/journal, or the book?

This is "The Public Records of the State of Connecticut", labeled in book as "From October, 1776, to February, 1778, inclusive," and described by the website simply as "volume 1, 1776-1778". It's been edited by Charles J. Hoadly, state librarian.

So: If I were to want to cite something to the page four of this, should I cite the legal document, or the physical book? That said, should the reference look like:

1776 Conn. Pub. Acts 4
Charles J. Hoadly, ed. (1894). The Public Records of the State of Connecticut, from October 1776 to February 1778. Vol. 1. p. 4. Retrieved December 6, 2025.

I took the format for the first bullet point from the APA Blue Book, so I'm assuming it's accurate for what I'm going for, I just don't know if it's proper to cite that or the specific book. Or both? Any advice would be great. Thanks. --Golbez (talk) 05:03, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Golbez: Technically, Hoadly is not the editor but the publisher. I included the name of the act. Has it ever been repealed? The name of the firm of printers made me chuckle so I put that in as well, but it's probably out of place. You don't need to include the |access-date= parameter for a printed book or journal, it's mostly for {{cite web}}. As far as the specific style goes, I would say it depends on the type of article you are intending to use the cite in. If it's specifically legal, I would go for the APA one, but personally I think it's just a barrier to impress lawyers and keep the general public away. There's always {{Cite act}} but that seems a whole different minefield. I use the vertical layout for my cites, it makes it so much easier to spot mistakes, and there are many opportunities for making them. My attempt:

"An Act for the Punishment of High Treason and other Atrocious Crimes against the State". The Public Records of the State of Connecticut, from October 1776 to February 1778. Vol. 1. Hartford, Conn.: Charles J. Hoadly: printed by Press of the Case, Lockwood and Brainard Co. 1894.

HTH, MinorProphet (talk) 01:34, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you! I'm working on a new/final version of Territorial evolution of the United States, and I was using that act as a reference for the name of the state changing. Thanks for the tip on access-date, that makes sense, especially when dealing with a trusted site like archive.org. As for whether it's been repealed, no idea.

If it were clean to combine the APA with a link to the book, ... that ... that could work, right? Would it be insane to set up a cite-book with the author being "Conn. Pub. Acts", the year being 1776, so I could use {{sfn|Conn. Pub. Acts.|1776|p=4}}... Then it should display as "Conn. Pub. Acts 1776, p. 4", and cleanly then link to the book? wanders off, pondering --Golbez (talk) 02:36, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Golbez: I've learned the hard way that you should only use cite params for their original and narrowly-defined purpose. The way round this is to use |ref= to create a custom CITEREF: |ref={{harvid|Conn. Pub. Acts|1776|}} and then treat it like an ordinary sfn: {{sfn|Conn. Pub. Acts|1776|p=4}}.
Result: "This is a ref to the famous act."^[1] :> MinorProphet (talk) 07:08, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I also silently added |ref=none to your original cite, otherwise it complains with an orange warning that there's no associated CITEREF because it's a duplicate. MinorProphet (talk) 07:43, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Conn. Pub. Acts 1776, p. 4.

Advance uk pag

Why is advance uk label as far right that is wrong and given false information I thought u this web site was for real information ~2025-38902-95 (talk) 06:28, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You can read the relevant discussions at the talk page for the Advance UK article. ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 06:37, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Because reliable, secondary sources describe it as such. Also, as someone with an interest in politics, I feel confident in saying that, at least based on the "ideology and policy" section of the Wikipedia page, it is objectively a far-right party mgjertson (talk) (contribs) 18:00, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Could anyone check and review if this article needs improvement?

50 Arguments Why Anwar Shouldn't Be Prime Minister All feedbacks are appreciated! N niyaz (talk) 08:58, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That's a (double) redirect to 50 dalil mengapa Anwar tidak boleh jadi PM. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:33, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have fixed the redirect and asked at Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard#Anwar Ibrahim book for the article to be reviewed by someone who can speak the language of the sources. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:45, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dead link and #IABot

Hi. For some months, I have been unable to run the #IABot, and cannot access other alternate archive links here as well.

Recently, I requested GANs for some articles. Those include the one Aima Baig; the problem is, however, I have found a recent dead link there, which have been active there for years: [12] [13]. I am saying this because I have been a major contributor for this article since it was created years back.

Can anyone please help, or suggest what to do now? Thank you! M. Billoo 09:30, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Have you reported the issue on User talk:InternetArchiveBot? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:32, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Pigsonthewing: No, and the talk page you mentioned is admin-only. I have had raised the same query in multiple talk pages earlier this year, and users like Medxvo [14] and Significa liberdade [15] Special:Diff/1305932331, have responded.

But this time, the link I gave above is dead and apparently non-archived. M. Billoo 14:54, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The page I linked to is a redirect; the target is editable; and incudes a specific link near the top, labelled "Report Problem". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:59, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Was invisible on mobile version. Now found a similar concern: "High load/ lag times are making this great tool unusable for me". M. Billoo 19:49, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Which part was not visible on mobile? That, too, may need to be flagged. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:02, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The redirect link. M. Billoo 13:14, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. Raised at Template talk:Soft redirect#Mobile. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:23, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have run #IABot on a few articles today, and it could not fetch all the references. However, I am still unable to run it on the above mentioned page, Aima Baig. M. Billoo 13:18, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Converting google books to Internet Archive

Is there a tool which will convert old Google books references to the Internet Archive?

My interest is in pre-20th century history so books which are mentioned in Wikipedia articles are usually now available in toto on the Internet archive. I sometimes encounter older articles with dozens of Google books citations, many of which are dead or impossibly limited. I'd like to convert them to cite the book with a link to IA.

Humpster (talk) 12:31, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is something that User:InternetArchiveBot might do; it's a bot, but you can ask the operators, on its talk page. If you do, examples will be helpful. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:31, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Public domain question

Is it ok to use the text from articles for use in Youtube videos. I would like to convert the text to speech rather than text display. I have contributed several times. ~2025-39035-71 (talk) 13:35, 7 December 2025 (UTC) CC BY-SA 4.0 License[reply]

~2025-39035-71, it's OK as long as it's attributed to Wikipedia and published with the same CC BY-SA 4.0 Licence Jimfbleak - talk to me? 14:00, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Further to the above, please see WP:REUSE. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:29, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Donation

I have already donated $25 last week. Please do not send the reminder. ~2025-39022-97 (talk) 13:49, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you.

If you refer to the on-screen banners, please see Wikipedia:NOBANNER. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:29, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

To enlarge on Andy's reply: it is impossible for Wikipedia's software to known whether any user has donated or not. Donations go to Wikipedia's parent organisation The Wikimedia Foundation and no donation data is shared with Wikipedia. Account holders can block the donation banners when logged in if they choose, but everyone not logged in or without an account will see them, and Wikipedia has no control over this. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 03:56, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Song vs. single

I have noticed that some articles about singles starts with the sentence "X is a song by the musician Y" while others starts with "X is a single by the musician Y"

Is there a logic behind this? How is it determined whether an article should be about the single or about the song? Trade (talk) 14:05, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A single is a song. It happens to also have been released as a single. The release method doesn't make it not-a-song, so calling it a song is never wrong.

But am I missing the point of your question? TooManyFingers (talk) 17:04, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

There should not be two articles about "Song A" and "Single A", not even if there are differences between them. It should all go in one article that includes telling what the differences are. TooManyFingers (talk) 17:30, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think the question is, is there a logic to explain why In My Life begins "In My Life" is a song, while Hallelujah I Love Her So begins "Hallelujah I Love Her So" is a single. I doubt there is any such logic. The string "is a song by" occurs 35,000 times in Wikipedia articles, while "is a single by" only occurs 2,000 times, so the former is more usual. "is a song by the musician" and "is a single by the musician" each appear once. TSventon (talk) 17:43, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

True. This causes a lot of issues on Wikidata. Sometimes the Wikipedia articles have to be linked to the item for the single, other times they all have to be linked to the item for the musical composition/song Trade (talk) 19:32, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Trade: I see you are more active at Wikidata. I have linked the two examples you gave as that makes them more visible as well as more clickable. I am not aware of all the finer points at Wikidata, but see that In My Life (Q1324384) and Hallelujah I Love Her So (Q3372281) both claim to be songs. Lose Yourself (Q957616) and Overprotected (Q943715) deal with the problem by claiming to be instances of both song and single. TSventon (talk) 20:20, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"I am not aware of all the finer points at Wikidata, but see that In My Life (Q1324384) and Hallelujah I Love Her So (Q3372281) both claim to be songs. Lose Yourself (Q957616) and Overprotected (Q943715) deal with the problem by claiming to be instances of both song and single." Technically speaking combining Lose Yourself (Q957616) and Overprotected (Q943715) into the same item violates the modeling structure that the Wikidata community have agreed upon for music long time ago. So really, it's just moving from one issue to another--Trade (talk) 00:39, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

As far as the truth of the matter, if you changed every one of those 2,000 "is a single" references into "is a song that was released as a single", they would all still be just as true as they were before you did that; this would have zero chance of harming or modifying the meaning.

But if the reason for doing that was "this classification system requires it", then it would be logical and relevant to ask why it should be necessary for future articles to conform to a broken classification system. TooManyFingers (talk) 01:49, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

In my fantasy nonexistent classification system, "song" is a type or category, while "single" cannot be that. "Single" is a box that's either checked or unchecked. But that's fantasy land. TooManyFingers (talk) 01:52, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not all singles are necessarily songs. A single could also, for example, be a non-musical short speech. The term single derives from a time when the technology of sound reproduction (shellac or vinyl disks, cassette tapes) made it convenient and commercial to physically issue a song (or other recording) of perhaps 2 to 5 minutes as a separate entity. The equation of 'single' and 'song' arose colloquially, but technically one is the medium and the other is the message. Many songs are of course never released as singles. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 04:08, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You're right. Such cases are unusual on Wikipedia, and I wonder how many of those 2,000 are spoken or other non-music recordings. My wild guess is "none of them". But you're right nonetheless. TooManyFingers (talk) 06:09, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Trade: the problem is that Wikidata and the various wikipedias are separate projects with their own rules. Wikidata is structured and Wikipedia is less structured. Did you see the recent discussion at d:Wikidata talk:WikiProject Music#Proposal to Breakout Conflated Singles and Songs? TSventon (talk) 16:57, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know what led to that discussion, and maybe I'd understand if I knew that, but on the surface it seems very similar to suggesting that race horses no longer be called horses, or that pines no longer be called trees.

It's impossible to conflate things that really are the same. TooManyFingers (talk) 02:22, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How has Man vs. Baby appeared in my watch list?

The article Man vs. Baby is in my watchlist, but I've never edited it, at least not according to both article and talk page history - nor do I have any recollection of ever doing so.

The previous show - Man vs. Bee is in my watchlist due to two edits back in June 2022, so there's a connection, but no editing of the new article. Chaheel Riens (talk) 18:24, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Chaheel Riens: Man vs. Bee was moved to Man vs., then to Man vs. Baby, and then back to Man vs. Bee. If a page on your watchlist is moved then the new title is added to the watchlist so Man vs. is probably also there. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:41, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers! Chaheel Riens (talk) 22:30, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please how can I find my brother who joined Russia federation army last year in December.

my name is TAIRU KPENE ATCHE i live in Saudi Arabia as Ghanaian, my brother who's name is NUHUM ABDUL AZIM Ghanaian travel for Qatar to Russia and join Russia federation army since 26 December 2024,I haven't heard from him until date so please I have all his documents, pictures including the contract agreement. TAIRU KPENE ATCHE (talk) 19:23, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Does he have a Wikipedia account? GarethBaloney (talk) 19:30, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is not a general help desk for the internet, sorry. You should contact the Russian embassy to inquire about the status of your brother. 331dot (talk) 19:30, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ok thank you, but I have been there and they just gave one contact wich is not going true they also gave me the link that one also is not going true TAIRU KPENE ATCHE (talk) 19:36, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm very sorry to hear that, but there's nothing more that we here can do for you. 331dot (talk) 19:39, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you and your brother are Ghanian citizens, you could also ask your country's diplomats to speak to Russia for you. 331dot (talk) 19:34, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Source verification

Is there a place in wikipedia to ask for verification of sources in an article that I do not have access to? For example, if it is a Finnish source without online access or something like that? Vastmajority20025 (talk) 20:50, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

WP:Reliable sources noticeboard or the WP:Reference desk might be able to help, maybe? Athanelar (talk) 21:11, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ask Wikipedia:reference Desk as we cannot help with that here Theknoledgeableperson (|have a chat) 21:23, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That is not a Reference Desk issue.

If OP wants to see a copy of the cited source, they should ask at WP:WikiProject Resource Exchange/Resource Request. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:06, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, @Vastmajority20025. I think you are asking how to get hold of a copy of a source that you haven't got. The Resource exchange is the best place to go to for that. ColinFine (talk) 22:10, 7 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Access to cited sources must always be possible, but is not required to be easy (or cost free). For a Finnish offline source – let's say, a book or a newspaper article that has not been digitised – you might have to contact someone in Finland to consult the source for you, or even travel there yourself! (I've been, though not for research purposes, and recommend it.)

If the source were as I have described, you might be able to ask your local Public Library to check if the item is held by the National Library of Finland, and if it is for a copy of the relevant information to be copied and sent to you (probably for a fee). Sometimes, research is hard: as a professional editor (during the previous millennium) I sometimes had to travel fair distances (though not abroad) to museums, libraries and record offices to obtain information. Hope this helps. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.30.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 04:27, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Vastmajority20025: you can write a request in English at fi:WP:Embassy to request help from Finnish Wikipedia users. MKFI (talk) 11:12, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fundraiser

When you ask to donate, don’t put a box with an X that doesn’t work, or tap maybe later which kicks you back to the top of the page. Tactics like that push me away from donating. You’re assholes for attempting to jam it down our throats. ~2025-39313-88 (talk) 04:32, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The people who can see your message are all volunteers. It's not us who's asking for donations, and we don't see a cent of it. TooManyFingers (talk) 06:04, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is the English Wikipedia which is run by unpaid volunteers. The fundraising is carried out and is under the complete control of the Wikimedia Foundation, a separate organization that provides servers and technical support to hundreds of independent free knowledge projects. Cullen328 (talk) 07:55, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

...hundreds of independent free knowledge projects including English Wikipedia. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:03, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to browse Wikipedia without the funding banner popup, see WP:NOBANNER for guidance. Athanelar (talk) 10:31, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Photos

I wish articles about people had a photo more often. Is there a reason why they don’t? GarySchmitz (talk) 05:38, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Every modern photo is under the copyright of someone - often the person who was holding the camera, and almost never the person shown in the actual picture. Wikipedia has strict rules that all images shown must have special permissions granted to us by the copyright holder; if they don't want to give away all those permissions, or if we don't know who they are so we can't ask them, then that picture won't be accepted.

This is why there are more pictures of people from long ago; copyright on many of those has expired. TooManyFingers (talk) 05:59, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This is because of WP:NFCC, particularly with living people. Wikipedia is a lot better than it was in the early days, when no pictures or poor pictures were commonplace in articles about people. However, there are still plenty of articles about people with no picture, because they cannot be grabbed from a web search as they would usually be copyrighted.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 08:39, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

A question

Is it against the guidelines to nominate a redirect for deletion which was recently AfDed and consensus was to redirect? zglph^•talk• 06:15, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Well, logically, a 'redirect to X' decision at AfD is essentially the same thing as a 'keep' decision at RfD, so while I don't think it's against any guidelines per se, bringing it up at RfD would probably be a waste of editor time as the community has already signed off on the redirect existing.

If you want to nominate it for speedy because you think it meets a CSD then that mitht be different, but I probably wouldn't bother taking it to RfD so soon after the AfD result. Athanelar (talk) 10:30, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

fixing redirected page

Hello - The wikipedia page for Glenn Leonard is now redirecting, for some reason, to The Temptations page. I would like to get the original artist page restored. This page was active for years.

Can you help with information as to how we do this?

Thank you! ~2025-39402-58 (talk) 12:53, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@2025-39402-58: It was turned into a redirect by TheGreatestLuvofAll. You should discuss this with that editor on their talk page as a first step. Mjroots (talk) 13:05, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The entire content of the body of the article was:

Glenn Carl Leonard (born June 11, 1947, in Washington, D.C.) is an American R&B and soul singer best remembered for serving as the first tenor/secondary lead singer of the Motown quintet The Temptations from 1975 to 1983.

and the only source, which was malformed, was:

<ref>{{cite web|url={{AllMusic|class=artist|id=p5616/biography|pure_url=yes}}|title=Biography: The Temptations|last=Ankeny|first=Jason|publisher=[[All Media Guide|AMG]]|access-date=14 May 2010}}</ref>

It was flagged as being poorly sourced and not demonstrating notability. As such, it is not suitable to be restored.

Your best approach would be to draft a new article, using the WP:AFC process, then submit it for review, at which point, if suitable, it would be moved over the redirect. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:09, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for this information! ~2025-39402-58 (talk) 13:22, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Does Wikipedia have a tool for checking table column sums?

I am very frustrated by the fact that various editors of page Opinion polling for the 2026 Israeli legislative election make errors when adding opinion polls, do not appear to watch the Talk page where such errors are sometimes pointed out, and if the errors are drawn more forcefully to their attention, make further errors when fixing them. Two kinds of errors are frequent:

Entering figures for numbers of seats for individual parties which do not agree with the figures in the source being referenced
Incorrectly calculating the total for a group of parties (Government parties or Opposition parties)

There is not much that can be done about the first kind of problem other than (repeatedly) asking the editors to take more care.

Re the second kind of problem, is there a tool that could be used to generate the totals or to check the totals?

Thanks Misha Wolf (talk) 13:03, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not that I am aware of - it would make a good suggestion for our community wishlist. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:14, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Adding a reference on a page to list in list of references.

Could someone guide me in correcting my error on this page for reference #7? Camille_Lessard-Bissonnette Thank you in advance... Rheta10 (talk) 13:34, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I figured out the issues...sorry for the false alarm. Thanks. Rheta10 (talk) 14:09, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Translations

Hello! I was wondering if a specific role was needed to make translations on pages, if not, where is the page to do so?

Thanks, Elijah Wilder (talk) 14:34, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on what you want to do: we have pages needing translation, essentially proofreading. for already translated articles. For further info see also: Help:Translation and Wikipedia:Translation. Lectonar (talk) 14:41, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Mainly translating pages from English to either Hebrew or Spanish. Elijah Wilder (talk) 14:42, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Then you would need to ask at the respective Wikipedias. Lectonar (talk) 14:43, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is it a specific permission I need to be able to perform those actions? Elijah Wilder (talk) 14:45, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Not as far as I know; more info at Wikipedia:Translate us...it's mainly about how to properly atttribute. Lectonar (talk) 14:46, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, thank you! Elijah Wilder (talk) 14:50, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, one more thing. Is there an official process to be added to this or am I free to add my name if I am going to help with translations? Wikipedia:WikiProject_Intertranswiki Elijah Wilder (talk) 15:11, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

At least it is not mentioned, so feel free to contact one of the users listed there as members directly....but the project is about translating foreign language articles into English, not vice-versa. Lectonar (talk) 15:29, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alright. Elijah Wilder (talk) 15:32, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If there's an official process, it's probably at the place where you're putting your translations, not where you're getting material to translate from. TooManyFingers (talk) 18:36, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Elijah Wilder: if you want to find the equivalent of an en Wikipedia policy, you can look for pages linked to the en page via Wikidata. Wikipedia:Translation is linked to pages in Hebrew and Spanish. If you need more help, Wikipedia:Help desk also has equivalents in Hebrew and Spanish. TSventon (talk) 18:56, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit summary notification

Is there some sort of "app" that can tell me if I have not entered an edit summary? How do I get it and how do I install it? Can some expert editor install it for me? Thanks for technical help on this. --California Broker (talk) 15:44, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi California Broker go to Preferences, select Editor then click the box for "Prompt me when entering a blank edit summary (or the default undo summary)" and Save. - Arjayay (talk) 15:51, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I see: Reminder: You have not provided an edit summary. Edit summaries help other users understand the intention of your edits. Please enter one before you click Publish changes again, or your edit will be saved without one. Thanks. --California Broker (talk) 16:20, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

RC Patroller

Hello! Sorry to bother you guys again I was wondering if I had to sign up to be a Wikipedia:Recent changes patrol volunteer or if I could just install the gadgets needed and start patrolling. I have read though the articles for it and want to double check before performing any actions. Elijah Wilder (talk) 15:57, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, @Elijah Wilder, thanks for volunteering to patrol recent changes. You can start anytime you like. No need to sign up somewhere. Perception312 (talk) 16:32, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

You may be thinking of New Page Patrol which does have a requirement for extra permissions. RCP is as above completely voluntary and does not Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:16, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, thank you! Elijah Wilder (talk) 18:32, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Just want to make sure I am doing this right. If I see a recent change that breaks the rules, I revert it and issue a warning? I don't want to make a mistake with this. Elijah Wilder (talk) 18:48, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Elijah Wilder yes, that is correct for help on how to issue a warning see WP:Recent changes patrol Theknoledgeableperson (|have a chat) 19:33, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion in talkpage

By According to wikipedia rules, am I allowed to delete my conversations with other users in my talk page? Vastmajority20025 (talk) 17:49, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Vastmajority20025 Yes, although archiving is preferred, see Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines#Personal talk page cleanup for the detail. TSventon (talk) 18:05, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Be aware that removing a conversation, that doesn't mean it didn't happen. Removing a warning is the same as acknowledging it.

I'd recommend setting up archival on your talk page as above as it really is best practice. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:12, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How do I archive a page used in a reference, so that it's still visible after the source page is changed?

On the article Ely Cathedral this evening, I have recorded and referenced the death today of a member of their clergy.

The page that contains the reference does not give individual URLs for their news articles, and I am aware that I would need one of those in order to archive the source page.

How do I create an archive from a website like that, so that it can be viewed once the article on the source page (here) is changed?

Thank you, Dane|Geld 18:13, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

What you'll need to do is to archive the page (this is sometimes done automatically, but in this case, best done manually) on archive.is, or wayback machine, etc. you can then put the link and date into the reference. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:18, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Lee. I have completed the archive process with archive.is, so my next question is this: how do I edit the article now, to include the archived content, please? The ref number on the article is 101. Dane|Geld 18:49, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

EDIT: Scratch that, I've successfully added the archived data, following the pattern of other archived entries on the article. Dane|Geld 18:54, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dick Wagner

I run the Michigan Rock and Roll Legends website. The owner of one of the photos I used in Dick Wagner's biography on the site has requested that it be removed. I deleted the photo as soon as I received the request, but I see that it comes up as the third photo under Michigan Rock and Roll Legends in a Yahoo Search for Dick Wagner. How can I get that photo removed? ~2025-39471-28 (talk) 18:52, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I think you may have made a copyright violation, although which 'Dick Wagner' article are you talking about as they are many Theknoledgeableperson (|have a chat) 19:25, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Dick Wagner would be a good bet, since he's a rock musician from Michigan. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:53, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@~2025-39471-28 We can't help you with things unrelated to Wikipedia, sorry. You might want to try the WP:Reference desk. Sarsenet•he/they•(talk) 20:28, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@~2025-39471-28: The third photo for me is https://michiganrockandrolllegends.com/images/Dick_Wagner_Maestro.jpg (deliberately not linked here) which is still on your site although not on https://michiganrockandrolllegends.com/hall-of-fame/artists/325-dick-wagner. If that's the photo then delete the actual file. Yahoo will automatically revisit the site at an unknown time, detect the image is gone and remove it from their search results. At https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN4530.html they say "up to 10-12 weeks". Yahoo Search gets their data from Bing. https://www.bing.com/webmasters/help/refreshed-webmaster-tools-7c7d2533 may be useful to speed it up but I haven't tried it. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:40, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

School course requirements and copyright

I came across this edit where someone had added in a list of course requirements for a school. It's copied and pasted (copyvio report) but I'm not sure whether to report it for RD1 since it's clearly a list of publicly available information. I've reverted it anyway as it's clearly unencyclopædic. Advice would be appreciated. lp0 on fire () 19:28, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Report it Theknoledgeableperson (|have a chat) 20:33, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Done lp0 on fire () 20:48, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Abdul zahir batin

How to cite letters of reccomendation and concert flyers prior to the creation of the internet? Page denied due to resource issue? Help how to fix! Sarahroseromero (talk) 22:59, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Neither meet Wikipedia requirements for published independent reliable sources, and accordingly they are of no use at all in establishing notability. AndyTheGrump (talk) 23:04, 8 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

See {{Cite letter}}.

We need to know more about where you saw "Page denied due to resource issue?" and what you were doing, to help with that. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:35, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"Page denied due to resource issue" appears to be a "lost in translation" version of "Draft declined for lack of sources", rather than an error message. TooManyFingers (talk) 21:45, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Newspapers.com

Is newspapers.com on TWL? I seem to recall something about it but I can't find it. That being said I don't use TWL very often so I may be making a mistake or misremembering. Thanks! Chorchapu (talk | edits) 00:26, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Chorchapu:, yes, you have to apply, so click on available collections, rather than my collections, and you should see it. TSventon (talk) 00:29, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks very much! I think I've figured the application thing out. Chorchapu (talk | edits) 00:40, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Check your pages

I'm directing this message to Wikipedia. Please re check all the history pages and the sports pages because they are inaccurate academically. It's a free bold tip! Thank you for listening!

Check your pages. They are modified and inaccurate academically. They are written in codes but they are like published by canibals. ~2025-39247-85 (talk) 02:01, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry @~2025-39247-85 but this is an extremely vague and borderline incomprehensible "tip". Can you give us some specific examples? ClaudineChionh (she/her · talk · email · global) 02:04, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is the encyclopaedia anyone, including you, an edit. If you see a mistake, fix it. But do make sure you have reliable sources for anything you add. HiLo48 (talk) 02:07, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Back when I was a first-year anthropology student, I can remember reading an academic work on allegations of cannibalism (sadly, the author escapes me), which noted just how often such claims concerned some disliked 'other', almost invariably unaccompanied by anything resembling evidence. Some things never change... AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:18, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

At least this adds to the pool of possible names for Wikipedia's house band. "Published by Canibals" is a bit long to fit nicely on a t-shirt though. TooManyFingers (talk) 02:36, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I found the work mentioned I above: William Arens' 1979 The Man-Eating Myth : Anthropology and Anthropophagy. Needless to say, Arens' claims regarding the rarity (or non-existence) of culturally-acceptable cannibalism have been disputed since, and by most accounts debunked, though I don't think anyone disagrees with his suggestion that allegations of cannibalism have often been made to simply project negativity. In the interests of good faith, I'm going to assume that the OP's intimation was just that, rather than an actual allegation of cannibalism by Wikipedia contributors. Quite how one might detect this particular gastronomic preference through writing style escapes me... AndyTheGrump (talk)

OK. I call dibs on football. Category:WikiProject Football articles has 500,000+ pages but some of them aren't actually articles so this should be easy. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:32, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How many of them cite academic sources? I know that academia tends to throw its nets wide when trawling for subjects (bad metaphor, since trawlers don't throw nets...) but is there actually published peer-reviewed work on Huddersfield Town's single-appearance Joseph Wigmore? I rather doubt it. Not unless he subsequently ate someone? AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:56, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I heard he was dating that woman who Daryl Hall and John Oates sang about. In fact, she probably wrote our article about him. TooManyFingers (talk) 03:20, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

TooManyFingers At least the OP made it easier to fit on a t-shirt by misspelling Canibals with only one n.Naraht (talk) 14:27, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I expect there's a market for books like The Canibal Codes: The Do's and Don'ts of Eating Your Relatives. MinorProphet (talk) 02:13, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@MinorProphet Was The Canibal Codes written by Dan Brown, by any chance? David10244 (talk) 05:34, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that one is actually by S. Green. TooManyFingers (talk) 07:07, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@TooManyFingers They were fine young can[n]ibals. David10244 (talk) 00:28, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nick J Fuentes

Your article on Nick Fuentes is bias and absurdly far left. If you're not going to write a neutral documentary, then don't cry for people to donate to your lame site. ~2025-39495-55 (talk) 02:26, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for your advice. Feel free not to donate. Or to read Wikipedia at all. Plenty of people do both, though whether the WMF (which actually solicits the donations, rather than Wikipedia) actually needs the humungous pile of dosh it is sitting on is a matter of debate. AndyTheGrump (talk) 02:59, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Which part of "Nicholas Joseph Fuentes (born August 18, 1998) is an American political commentator and a far-right white nationalist, activist, and live streamer. He hosts America First, a livestream promoting Christian nationalism, white supremacy, misogyny, anti-LGBTQ views, and antisemitism including Holocaust denial." do you feel is not supported by citations in the body of the article? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:29, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

One might indeed ask whether Fuentes would deny any of that. —Antonissimo (talk) 02:19, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I wonder what kind of person it takes to search for Nick Fuentes on Wikipedia, see the donation banner at the top of the page, and get so pissed off at the combination of those two things that they have to come and tell us about it. Athanelar (talk) 22:52, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Presumably, the kind of person who reads text like that I quoted, and thinks "This is someone whose reputation I must defend". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:43, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Good point, Andy. David10244 (talk) 00:29, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Missing Photos Gillett, CO

I uploaded photos that I took about Gillett, CO but never saw them published after my submission a couple of months ago. I checked multiple times and did not see them published. I was wondering why they disappeared into a black hole and were never used. Thank you, Neno1815 (talk) 03:31, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Is this one of yours?

Gillett Coal Bridge TooManyFingers (talk) 03:37, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Neno1815, You've uploaded several photos to Commons, but that doesn't in of itself amount to a submission to add them to the article. I suggest you raise this on the article talk page, or even consider adding one yourself (see Help:Pictures). The article is a bit short to justify a lot of images, but maybe adding one more might be justifiable - I'd go with the historical 'Coal bridge' one, rather than your own photos, which don't really illustrate the town. AndyTheGrump (talk) 03:44, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If there are multiple images on Commons, Neno1815 can add {{Commons category}} at the foot of the Wikipedia article which will link to the category page on Commons (to which I have just added their images). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:03, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

When a Commons category exists for an enwiki article, the cat is usually automatically linked in in the "Tools" menu. No need to add any tag manually. DMacks (talk) 08:28, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The tools menu is not part of article content; {{Commons category}} is.

That's why {{Commons category}} "is used on approximately 890,000 pages, or roughly 1% of all pages"; including many featured articles. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:55, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm guessing that this list shows when you contributed your photos. TooManyFingers (talk) 03:45, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

c:Special:ListFiles/Neno1815 may be more convenient. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:08, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks - I'd never seen that TooManyFingers (talk) 21:36, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Citing timestamps in documentaries

Template:rp lets editors add page numbers to footnotes, so the same citation for a whole book can be reused. Is there any similar template for timestamps, so the citation for a documentary or other audiovisual source can be reused? Thanks! Helpful Cat {talk} 04:00, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Same template! Just use |at=00:00 as the parameter for a timestamp. Nil🥝 06:45, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Nice, thanks! Helpful Cat {talk} 06:49, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Truth exposing corruption in the grading companies

Absolutely nobody is going to read this wall of text. Learn to summarise. Learn what paragraphs are. Come back when you are done, and if this is actually a question on how to use Wikipedia. AndyTheGrump (talk) 05:49, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

so when it comes to an article that I previously wrote about the corruption when it comes to cgc comic books being graded vintage golden age or platinum age comic books being ripped out of their comic book holders only need to be sent in to be regraded again. And coming up with actual strong points where I was receiving information from actual known sources in the comic book industry such as Neal Adams who is deceased but work for DC Comics as an artist for Batman as well as the mother of the person who owns CGC comic book grading Company. I used to purchase comic books from her website and she informed me the lowdown about the industry that even she had grew tired of. It's clear as day two if you go to sell comic books say for example if you're selling comic books that are graded by PGX to mycomicshop.com they specifically say that they will take them out of the holders that they are in and regrade them in house because oftentimes they grade for less than what PGX is determined the grade to be or higher. But if that was truly the case then why wouldn't they do that for all comic books that are graded such as CGC or CBCS? And I will say this I have first-hand knowledge that comic books that I have purchased from this website I bought them in VG- the individual who I sold them to happen to be a Boston Massachusetts attorney. And I will say this so I had this attorney submit those comic books to be graded by PGX he had previously graded them through CGC. I told him just humor me dude if you do it I'll pay for it whatever you know if they mess up your book I'll pay for it so he took them out of their cases the CGC graded case. And he submitted those four books to PGX to be graded and lo and behold people they came back exactly the same exact grades that CGC previously graded those books for. That being said I told him I can get you better books and better condition but you have to work with me on this, so he said okay I'll work with you Dave you've been honest this entire time so yeah let's try it. I told him to submit those books to be sold to mycomicshop.com. And because of them being in the PGX graded case they took them out regraded them and they graded them to be 5.5 which is FN grade the other two came back being 7.5 and 9.2. that would be VF- and a 9.2 is NM- Condition. When I told this attorney look here is my receipt from that place where I bought those comic books were you submitted them to be sold you might want to share that with him that those comic books that they graded first of all they sold them to me being only a 4.5 to 5.5 in condition. Also let them know that you previously graded them maybe two weeks prior to PGX with CGC and they all graded the same exact grade that PGX graded them for. So them grading them in house to be a higher grade than what cgc graded than for or PGX at this point it goes to show exactly how dishonest this industry is. Make no mistake about that one because I will tell you this right now, it doesn't just end with comic books people it even goes as far as video games as well. The individual who owns pricecharting.com Jonathan Hendricks or JJ Hendricks are you familiar with the fact that he owns jjgames.com which is a retail video game store. Not only online but you can go to in person. And I have enough evidence and proof to share with anybody who wants to see what I have of for example he has clearly said to me in an email and my wife that pricecharting.com is not to be considered a price guide at all and he only says that because he has a video game store he knows how unethical it is to have a price guide for video games and a video game store as well. That being said can you really trust anybody who doesn't follow actual rules on eBay such as take for example a very rare Atari 2600 video game called Pepsi Invaders. This video game allegedly sold on eBay for $5,000 Factory Sealed. However if you click the link it will take you to that sale on eBay when you see a line that goes through that price that is when a buyer makes an offer to a seller. That seller accepts the buyer's offer and sells it to them for a undisclosed amount. Does pricecharting ever verify what the price for that video game actually was what it actually truly sold for no if it gets returned for a refund he don't track it. And another very expensive video game for Nintendo NES I had I sold it loose on pricecharting.com for $200 family Fun Stadium Events. So Jonathan Hendricks emailed me directly and wanted to congratulate me on the sale of this video game that I sold December 19th 2019 at the start of the pandemic. And out of nowhere I go to log back in see if I sold any more games my accounts on vacation mode I don't know why it's on vacation mode but I investigated it. I then noticed somebody clicked refund for that video game and what I was told by JJ and he clearly admits to it in his email to me, I logged into your account to issue a refund for that video game that you sold. I'm also going to place that video game into a different category of my website so that it doesn't interfere with anybody who owns that title. Everyone's tell me where he was going to move it I don't even know if it's up there truly I don't believe it is. The buyer who bought this video game was unaware that when he put this game in your console that it plays in three different languages he thought it was fake so I ended up giving it away to a person in need wanted to straighten his life out we'll say. He submitted it to be graded per wata games and this loose NES cartridge grated 9.6 the highest graded cartridge for that video game in existence till this day and he sold it at Heritage Auctions I believe he told me $80,000. He wanted to give me a cut and I told him don't worry about it do what you said you were going to do with it that's what you can do for me and my wife and that's what he did he took his family moved on from California and made something of himself he has a job and is paying off a house right now. And well he isn't in gangs anymore so that is a good thing in my opinion. But it doesn't stop there either people I had several hundreds thousands of video games and my collection several first edition boxes as well and several factories sealed boxes. Furthermore I truly believe a lot of my video games were probably sold on eBay that I sold to people and they more than likely is my guess resealed them because they were kiosk games. And because they were some of the nicest video games out there imaginable because I didn't play them I may have had them but I never played them. They all had their posters and registration card. And it had no sticker residue on the cases nothing like that unless it was a black box with the NES Nintendo sticker on the top. I was told by Heritage auctions Brian Nicoletti an employee who works there, went on to tell me that I had nothing more than junk in my collection people. If I had junk in my collection for starters the very first sword Quest fireworld Atari 2600 video game Factory sealed a buyer purchased that from me on eBay for $115 and do you know how much he sold it for at Heritage Auctions $5,900. He then came back to purchase a second one that I had Factory sealed and are you ready for this I charged him $150 he got it graded by WATA games and it sold for $3,700. So he made $9,600 minus the purchase price and the grading price he still took home $9,000. So for somebody to tell me who works for Heritage Auctions that I had nothing more than junk in my collection. That is proof that they don't know anything about what they are collecting they don't know anything about the industry for the more they don't treat people Fair they're not equal they only take care of their own there are no fair business practices with those type of people. And if this help listing gets flagged and someone removes it and that also applies to this website as well. Seriously I pretty much will tell you one thing I have given up on freedom of speech everything I fought for in the Middle East because his country truly lacks commitment to its own United States citizen it truly does it's a disgrace and I don't care who knows it this country literally is a joke go to other parts of the country and find out what they think of Americans they laugh at us why is that because we cry and complain about everything. Can we take advantage of everyone else in society which is sickening and sad seriously. A veteran who serves for his country overseas will say for example for the Queen the Queen's guard they're not allowed to be homeless I can send you a YouTube video if you like where King Charles seen one of his soldiers who was homeless showing up to work in a dirty uniform and furthermore do you know that King did for his troop he put them in an apartment and paid the rent so the kid could not have to sleep in his car because he was getting up to go to work every single day. As every single soldier has done time and time again. But what is this country do nothing for you they don't even fight for you after you've been wrongfully conserved while serving in the military. You know what I was told by JAG told me people because I am no longer serving in the military and I didn't catch this while I was serving in the military they can no longer represent me for this situation. I was placed on temporary probate conservatorship in the Marine corps as well as a US Army deployed overseas to Afghanistan and the Marine corps I believe I was in Iraq is what I was told. The person who did this had a gross vehicular manslaughter charge purged from her file her case record. Her record was Heard by a judge who was previously disbarred due to misconduct. So at that point in time whenever he was residing over my mother's case he was impersonating a judge and no I don't want my mother to go to prison or jail that would suck truly. But did it give her the right after killing my father to get a slap on the wrist to try to kill me twice to steal my entire survivor's benefit checks that I know nothing about my entire combat hazardous duty pay when I was serving for my country for 13 months overseas. As well as money from a class action lawsuit and even taking my malaria medication before I deployed telling me David because you had pneumonia as a child you can't catch malaria. Well my mother doesn't speak to me at all anymore either because of her greed has basically killed our relationship. And furthermore that being said seriously do you know that I'm still fighting for justice to this day they never had a capacity letter on file to have me conserved the judges of the law firm partner to my mother's attorney my father's attorney became a judge his case files went to my mother's attorney. my mother basically got away with stealing if you added all the finances up to $11 million dollars for my entire inheritance. Forget about California Commission of judicial performance they did nothing for me when I filed my complaint they only ever told me that they agreed with me about my complaint about some stuff not everything not mentioning to me what that was. Then they told me what they couldn't do never what they could do and then they told me how they took a vote upon a committee and came up with a resolution for everything never once tell me what that was in closing out this case after a six year investigation. Do you know that I met with the courthouse investigator who wanted it to go to trial because he said my mother was incapable of making financial decisions for my best interest they never had a doctor's capacity later on file no legal representation for myself never notify the military I was never allowed to attend a single court hearing for a temporary probate conservatorship for a total of 14 months. On the 13th month is whenever I spoke to the courthouse investigator who set it up to go to trial on calendar the judge being a former Law firm partner to my mother's former criminal defense attorney who changed his legal profession to family probate attorney dismissed it before it ever got that far. That being said I'm willing to split my winnings with anybody who's willing to assist me with this situation here 50/50 because I'll tell you this right now I'm protected under the civil service members act. The Madera Superior Courthouse has denied me access to my father's will and trust my entire life they obstruct Justice on a daily basis by altering case files and removing case files from the record and my entire conservatorship paperwork is not even filed with the County recorder at all. On top of everything else my father died August 19th 1995 that's what my mother was charged. According to the county recorder's office my mother took a signed affidavit of death notarized January 11th 1993 to remove my father's name from a title deed perjury I think so as well as murder for financial gain yeah I believe so because when she took my medication when I deployed that's when she was stealing my money from my bank. if you do the math I was making $2,700 a month I was deployed for 13 months I came home with $2,200 in my bank account that being said how much money did you take everything. And I'm still fighting to get a copy of my father's will and trust it's never gone through probate. And since when is gross vehicular manslaughter a crime that is a infraction that never once goes on your license or your record in California you want to know the scary thing people my mothers are registered chemotherapy nurse for Kaiser. And it's taken out 77 life insurance policies on her patients how many of those patients died under her care because she forgot to give them maybe their medication I'm guessing all of them so that being said seriously you can do what you want with this article but I'm going to tell you this right now until you can physically say that you have walked a mile in my shoes know what I've been through I would advise you to not remove this article to help me out to help me find justice so that justice will prevail for everything that has happened to me. Because this should not exist in any lifetime I wouldn't want anyone that I know or hate to have to go through what I've gone through. That being said don't ever judge a book by its cover seriously. Take for example tcdb.com I once posted 562 Michael Jordan cards for sale. I was blocked and removed from the forms page because I was told I never had all those cards unfortunately a kid named Andrew bought them from me from OfferUp so far he's bought 302 Michael Jordan cards only 11 of them were duplicate and this coming Wednesday he's going to purchase another 312 from me. That brings his entire total up to 514 Michael Jordan cards with only 27 of them being duplicates. And majority of them I would say more than 90% of them are in Gem Mint condition. And I didn't ask for a lot of money I sold them to him for $1,400 I believe. One thing you learn about me I'm not in it for the money but now because of what I've had to go through I made it to make sure all these people who have ever wronged me are rotten in prison that have to do with my father's will and Trust I promise you that. And like I said before if you help me out with this and help get me the justice that is deserved I will split my entire winnings with you 50/50 I promise you that. So if you think you are capable of helping me out by all means let me know my name is David LaMattina and I'm from Fresno california. Go ahead and hit me up anytime thank you for your time consideration take care of be safe and God bless. Apocalypsegamer (talk) 05:44, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That screed had absolutely nothing to do with editing Wikipedia and none of the editor's contributions improve the encyclopedia in any way. I have blocked them accordingly. Cullen328 (talk) 08:39, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Cullen328 Even though it is collapsed by default, I actually tried to read that. I didn't get very far.

I do feel sorry for him, though. David10244 (talk) 05:40, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Pro-Indian nationalism imposition

This not a matter the Help Desk can resolve. WP:DR and WP:ANI are both available (and the matter seems likely to be headed for the latter); remembering that WP:BOOMERANG may apply. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:40, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Hello everyone, apparently I have come across an editor (u;Gotitbro) who has been promoting or advocating for pro-Indian nationalism on Portuguese citizens of Goan origin.

One article in question is Bhau Daji, this person is a Goan and a portuguese citizen as far as Portuguese nationality law is concerned. This editor has used a source (i.e Britannica) which seems great but was written by an incompetent person. It notes that the place Bhau Daji was born was in British India during the time, which makes him a British subject.

The case of Goa and Portuguese India has always been special and is special. If anyone is not aware unlike Non-Goans who were ruled by the British or French, the Portuguese gave citizenship to Goans who were born on their soil. Note this is not merely WP:OR, it is a fact as the same can be claimed to American nationality law denoting someone who is born on their soil an “American”.

The source used in question is factually incorrect (see this [16]), we know that Pernem taluka where Mandrem is located was already under Portuguese around 1783 [17], the subject being born in early 1800s is impossible to denote him as a British subject. Which makes the editor in question completely incompetent about such nationality issues.

Goa has had enough of forceful nationalism imposition and this needs a wake up call on Wikipedia from editors such as this one involved. A couple of years ago, many of the early Goan articles had their birthplace as born in India and not Portuguese India, which is factually incorrect.

I want someone with a good knowledge of nationality policies on Wikipedia to help me with OUR PROBLEM, preferably not an Indian editor. I don’t know where else to take this to, but hoping I can get some answers. Rejoy²⁰⁰³(talk) 11:31, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you wanted do discuss Bhau Daji, you should start at Talk:Bhau Daji, and you can WP:APPNOTE such a discussion if you want. Courtesy ping to @Gotitbro. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:40, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång here the issue doesn’t lie only to one article, this editor has changed many Goans articles into imposing them as “Indians by force” (implication to the core). You can see this here [18], the article is of Vamona Navelcar, a portuguese citizen by birth. This editor is just changing everything. Imposing something which is untrue and Wikipedia shouldn’t be a place to express biased opinions. I had to literally fix this twice [19]

What we need as as a fellow Goan myself to have factual representation of my people on Wikipedia. Rejoy²⁰⁰³(talk) 14:21, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

And have you WP:COMMUNICATEd with the editor you're disagreeing with? Edit summaries don't count. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 14:56, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång trust me on this one, this isn’t my first rodeo in dealing with such nationalists. Even if I did communicate with him it would be a complete waste of time and I am sure it would get sour. Hence I am here to get a better overview from opinions around the world, hopefully if I can get some opinions from editors of Portuguese Wikipedia would be great. Since this isn’t regarding just one article problem. Rejoy²⁰⁰³(talk) 18:07, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Then you know about WP:ASPERSIONS, WP:AGF etc. You'll do as you'll do. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:21, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I have started no less than three discussions across Talk pages for the user above to respond as to why they have added blatant OR and SYNTH across a number of bios against what sources say including the article linked here. No response whatsoever has come so forth beyond a revert of my message on their User Talk page. See further User talk:Gotitbro#CT_SA_and_Goa-related_pages, by a much more responsible editor inquiring about this.

There is a serious lack of understanding of how OR/SYNTH works on the part of this user as can be seen from the above comment. They have disruptively added "Portuguese" from their own interpretation of how nationality law applied in colonial times in India to numerous bios against how sources actually describe the subjects in question, take again the case of Dharmananda Damodar Kosambi where not a single RS refers to the subject as Portuguese but the article had been disrupted as such.

I have notified the editor that the articles and topics they edit fall under WP:CT/SA and WP:AE sanctions and OR should especially be nowhere near them.

"Which makes the editor in question completely incompetent about such nationality issues. ... I want someone with a good knowledge of nationality policies on Wikipedia to help me with OUR PROBLEM, preferably not an Indian editor." This blatant personal attack should be struck outright.

The comment above also betrays a stunning lack of understanding of the dispute resolution processes which is shown by the fact that this was brought here in the first place, claiming ethno-national exclusivity for editing against basic Wikipedia pillars.

I am frankly surprised that an editor who has raked up 40,000 edits cannot distinguish OR and SYNTH or engage in any discussion whatsoever. If anything CT/SA sanctions need to be imposed here if this conduct of OR and SYNTH and non-responsiveness continues.

For someone with a large cache of edits, one would expect them to be familiar with basic enwiki policies and guidelines and processes but of course that is nowhere here to be seen. Gotitbro (talk) 14:32, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

"preferably not an Indian editor". That's not how this works. Anyone behaving neutrally and in good faith may comment or act, we do not need to know, nor do we care, about their nationality, ethnicity, or place of origin. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:35, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Pigsonthewing Andy, the problem here is NATIONALITY itself which is being forced upon people which have nothing to do with India. I didn’t say this out of spite or to target a certain group. I only said it because of the conflict of interest. The editor in question is an Indian who is pushing for his biased views. How would you feel if someone from your soil is being forced upon a nationality from invaders?

This is a persistent problem with Goan articles for long ago. And I can go all about this. It definitely needs to be addressed. And as far as my statement remains, I know for a fact that many Indians would support fellow Indians. Rejoy²⁰⁰³(talk) 18:18, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Again: we do not, ever, prohibit people from editing articles or engaging in discussions solely because of their nationality, ethnicity, or country of origin. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:31, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

First you assume the "nationality, ethnicity, or place of origin" of an editor and then continue your personal attacks on that basis. You have nothing to say about your P&G violations of course and are still unresponsive to any of those concerns raised.

I will ask the ask sysops here to reign in the PAs (and policy violations) which is already getting out of hand [calling editors invaders good gosh] before this user gets in more more trouble than they are already in. Gotitbro (talk) 18:32, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Archiving messed up

Wikipedia_talk:Why_was_BFDI_not_on_Wikipedia?#Archiving_messed_up. If you can help, please do. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:34, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. PrimeHunter (talk) 22:23, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit Requests

Hello. I was wondering if I was allowed to assist with WP:Task_Center#Answer_an_Edit_Request and if so, do I use a tool for it or do I go through, review it, and manually make the edit if it fits/follows the guidelines and policies. Just want to make sure I am doing this right. Thanks, Elijah Wilder (talk) 14:47, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Elijah Wilder You're allowed, but stick to what you know, you don't have that many edits. For one thing, I'd stay out of WP:PIA stuff and similar. As with everything else around here, if people have opinions on what you do, they will tell you. Take the time to read WP:ERREQ. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:32, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Question for the editors

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The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

I don’t expect to actually get an answer from you people. Why do you rely on so many leftist editors and censor anyone that disagrees with your narrative. You say you don’t expose names of people that have not been convicted but you practically doxed Kyle Rittenhouse, a minor, before he even went to trial. Why do you remove accurate information from John Stossel? Why do you not tell the truth about socialism in other countries but attack capitalism at every turn even though the people in capitalist countries are much better often than people in socialist or communist countries? You seem to hate capitalism but exist only because of it. Your days are numbered now that AI is starting to show your left leaning bias. I for one, avoid your site if I want information on any subject that matters. Keep ignoring people with different views. You are writing your own obituary. This is my response to you begging for money! ~2025-39596-79 (talk) 15:54, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the input, IP editor. FYI us volunteer editors have absolutely nothing to do with the Wikimedia Foundation's donation drives. We don't see the money. We don't get any share of it. We don't decide when the donation drives happen. qcne (talk) 16:02, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I closed this discussion as it is clearly not about editing wikipedia Theknoledgeableperson (|have a chat) 16:53, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Article history and wikilinks

Example: [20] John Braham (MP) shows as a blue link on 31 December 2011 in the Suffolk article (first table, year 1417) even though the John Banham article was not created until September 2025. Am I correct to deduce that article history views reflect the current status of wikilinks not their prior status at the date of the article history? Rupples (talk) 17:27, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Rupples yes, you are correct. In my experience, the history uses the Wikicode of the article from a previous edit, so article links may change from red to blue or vice versa, and image files and templates may no longer exist. TSventon (talk) 18:19, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the additional explanation. I initially thought the history was an exact mirror of the article at one point in time, so I expected to see a red link up until the date the new article was created. I see now the links aren't frozen, as such. Rupples (talk) 18:50, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Rupples: Yes, an old revision of a page shows what the code of that page would produce today so you know what you get if you revert to that revision. Template:/meta/color was deleted in 2021 so the 1640-1832 section is messed up in the 2011 revision. Wikipedia does not have a way to see what a page actually looked like at the time (except Wikipedia:Main Page history). The Internet Archive at https://web.archive.org/ (not affiliated with us) has taken snapshots of many articles including this one which does show a red link before September 2025. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:39, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you @PrimeHunter. I regularly use Internet Archive for source finding/creating archive links and it just didn't cross my mind it holds past copies of Wikipedia articles, so that's useful to know. Also, it has clarified the difference between article history and a snapshot. Rupples (talk) 05:23, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Restoring and expanding the article about CEX.IO

After starting to research cryptocurrency topics, I found the CEX.io page, which is written in Russian and reveals the topic of that exchange. After that, I started writing the article itself, and at the stage when I wanted to publish it, I saw that this article existed before, but it was merged with GHash.io and redirected, which is wrong, because they are not the same. How to correctly carry out the separation procedure to restore the old address of the main article, and could I download and add content?

CEX.io was previously at this address [21]. VollyM (talk) 18:53, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@VollyM: The redirect is not "wrong" just because it links to a different subject. CEX.io was deemed by editor David Gerard to fail Wikipedia's notability criteria, since there was minimal independent reporting of CEX.io in mainstream, non-crypto-focused sources that wasn't just discussing GHash.io, so CEX.io was redirected to the most closely related article. The Russian Wikipedia is a separate project with its own rules on what articles are acceptable. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 21:55, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Donation - need to change credit card used

I logged in but my donation does not appear connected to that login. I've had an ongoing monthly contribution for years. I am cancelling the credit card being used so need to figure out how to do that. \ Xenarosa (talk) 20:30, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Xenarosa. I am afraid us volunteer editors can not help with donation-related issues. Please contact the Wikimedia Foundation directly at donate@wikimedia.org. qcne (talk) 20:33, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Xenarosa: See also https://wikimediafoundation.org/give/manage-your-donation (which also gives that email address). You are right that accounts are not connected to donations. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:06, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

QRC

I would like to use QRC's in philatelic exhibits to link additional information about the subject matter of stamps being used in the display. Is there any copyright or other considerations that I need to be aware of? I'm just starting to play with the idea, so also wondering about the best way to do this. Thanks. Fred Danes (talk) 23:26, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Fred Danes: This is a help desk for the encyclopedia Wikipedia. Your question appears unrelated to us. Wikipedia does not give legal opinions but see QR code#License. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:59, 9 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to use QR Codes to link to Wikipedia articles; please feel free—there is nothing we require of you if you do. You may wish to do so by making use of QRpedia. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:39, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Voting for making a picture featured

I have tried to vote to make pictures featured but I can only do it by replying to someone and than editing that reply can someone please help me. Gstaveeiffel314 (talk) 01:12, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Edit in foreign language

Hi - How can I help editing and reviewing articles in Arabic language to make edit suggestions? Since it is my native language.

Thanks in advance. Hesham001 (talk) 01:25, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, Hesham001. You will have to ask on the Arabic Wikipedia, which is its own project, with its own administrators and its own policies and guidelines. English Wikipedia Teahouse hosts have no special knowledge of that project. Good luck, though. Cullen328 (talk) 05:08, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Inintelligible Notification from Programmerbot

I have received a Notification in a foreign language from Programmerbot: (quote) Programmerbot sizning munozara sahifangizda xabar qoldirdi. [UZ] Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:~2025-33904-40 (endquote) What does it mean? Thanks, ~2025-39624-56 (talk) 01:27, 10 December 2025 (UTC) PS: From the preview it seems that my ID has changed from what it was only an hour ago.[reply]

Google translates the message from Uzbek as "Programmerbot left a message on your talk page. [UZ] User talk". It probably means that you clicked on Uzbek Wikipedia for some reason, a temporary account was created there and a bot left a message on your talkpage there, see uz:Foydalanuvchi_munozarasi:~2025-33904-40. TSventon (talk) 02:27, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. I assume these are your edits or were made on your device: Special:Contributions/~2025-33904-40. A temporary account is automatically created when you edit. If our software cannot recognize you when you edit again then a new temporary account is created. If you view any page at another Wikipedia language or Wikimedia wiki then your temporary account may be created there. Special:CentralAuth/~2025-33904-40 shows several such accounts. At the Uzbek Wikipedia you got a welcome message from a bot and were notified of this. Just ignore it. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:14, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

This username should be inappropriate to be tagged using Twinkle?

Is this username inappropriate User talk:AydenHoltonIsAGay. Should be added a tag? VitorFriboquen :] (Talk) 01:32, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The account was blocked indefinitely, in part for that reason, less than 20 minutes after you posted your query, so you were not wrong, and may have prompted the block. Thanks for raising the issue. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} ~2025-31359-08 (talk) 04:52, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Most edited Wikipedia pages in the last 30 days

Hi, I was wondering if there is a page that lists the most edited pages in the last 30 days that is not exclusively articles. This can mean Talk pages, Wikipedia namespace pages and that kind of nature. I know there is a page for total amount of revisions for pages from all namespaces, but I’m looking for one that just does last the last 30 days. Interstellarity (talk) 01:50, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the top 1000. Surprise, WP:AIV and WP:ANI still top the list. —Cryptic 02:21, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I hadn't heard of number 3, User:AmandaNP/UAA/Time, before. TSventon (talk) 03:30, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Seems that a bot is updating that page every 10 minutes. I can't see the point of that and maybe the admin User:AmandaNP can tell us why they need it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:25, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I got the impression that the time stamps are used by the software that determines when blocked users become unblocked again. But I have no idea how any of that really works. TooManyFingers (talk) 18:51, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

question

can i make wikipedia article about islamic/christian/any other religion scientific foreknowledge

arabic wikipedia has islamic scientifc foreknowledge

Stackper (talk) 06:30, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there, the first article already has an English equivalent, I'jaz. I think Islamic attitudes towards science should be the only page to cover such a topic (in relation to Islam) as I don't see a major difference between the contents of this page and the contents of the Arabic page (second one) to warrant a different article. You can add to this article if you wish, just be sure that it is all sourced to a reliable source, and doesn't offer undue weight to certain beliefs. jolielover♥talk 06:42, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

The former pair are already linked as equivalent, via Wikidata, in their respective interlanguage-links menus (headed "Languages" on the English page). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:03, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

what about bibical scintfic foreknowledge — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stackper (talk • contribs) 06:46, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Criticism_of_the_Bible#The_Bible_and_science. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:33, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

hmmm. That has potential for becoming an article. jolielover♥talk 11:09, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Christianity and science is it allowed to add scintific miracles in bible here Stackper (talk) 14:23, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Stackper Not without a reliable source. The Bible is not a reliable source. Shantavira|^{feed me} 15:20, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Stackper I do not mean to be insulting: based on your replies here, I am not sure you have the English-language competence to edit the English Wikipedia. A complex and sensitive topic such as this would require a native or fluent level of written English ability, which you are not demonstrating.

There are lots of other language Wikipedias, ones which you may be more comfortable contributing to. qcne (talk) 15:23, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Article Inquiry - Notability Checking

Hi,

I would like to create an article, however upon checking there is something called "notability". Is there a tool or process I can use to check whether a business or individual is considered “notable enough” before I start creating a draft article? I want to make sure I’m following the rules correctly and not creating pages that won’t meet the standards. What’s the best way to evaluate notability ahead of time?

Thanks for your guidance. ~2025-39760-98 (talk) 14:18, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately, evaluating notability is one of those things you just have to learn with time, and that's precisely why we don't advise that new editors try to make a new article until they have some experience on Wikipedia.

You can read the general notability guideline for an indication of what we're looking for, and the golden rule for what a good source of notability looks like. Athanelar (talk) 15:26, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Also, for people there's WP:NPERSON and for businesses WP:NCORP Athanelar (talk) 15:26, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @~2025-39760-98. A good rule of thumb is to find three strong sources that each meet the criteria set out in WP:GOLDENRULE. If you can find three sources that each meet that criteria then the topic is potentially notable. If you cannot find three sources, then probably not.

There are no tool, it is all judgement based. However, writing a new article is the hardest thing a new editor can do as you will not have experience assessing sources and understanding notability yet. I would recommend spending a few weeks improving existing articles first, in order to gain experience with our policies and guidelines. qcne (talk) 15:26, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

How to get rid of "new contribution" on my contributions page

I just started getting this "new contribution" section being inserted at the top of my user contributions page.

There's NO WAY this is going to encourage me to use the translation tool to create a new page. Can we please revert this change? Fabrickator (talk) 16:37, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Fabrickator: Disable "Content Translation" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:43, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Putting Topic Categories in Set Categories

I've recently been editing a lot of categories. And am slightly confused by the guidelines around including topic categories as elements of set categories.

WP:SUBCAT seems to indicate that elements of subcategories should obey an is-a relationship with the parent category. To me this implies that a set category like Category:Presidents of the United States should include the article George Bush but not the topic category Category:George Bush.

Nonetheless, it seems this guidance is not widely followed. I topic categories being included in set categories all the time. For example check out Category:Counties of Guangxi. It includes several topic categories about the individual counties as subcategories.

Is it okay to remove these topic categories that are erroneously included as part of set categories? Should I bring it up on category talk pages or should I just remove them? For example, was this edit appropriate?: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Category:Qiannan_Buyei_and_Miao_Autonomous_Prefecture&diff=prev&oldid=1326608796 Benboy250 (talk) 17:24, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Basically, I'm asking if WP:SUBCAT's advice here is out of step with practice or if I'm misinterpreting it or if actually its just being incorrectly ignored by editors. Benboy250 (talk) 17:25, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not seeing the specific guidance in WP:SUBCAT that you are discussing. Your example sounds like a case of WP:EPONYMOUS, which explicitly makes it up to each topic-area or other local-consensus how to handle it among several common options. DMacks (talk) 00:37, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Register my account

i have an account.

I need to register it so I can access semi-protection articles to improve them. Gabe1213 (talk) 18:04, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gabe1213 Your account will become autoconfirmed after you have made >10 edits and been registered for >4 days. There is no need to do anything else to expedite access but if you like you can suggest edits on the talk pages of articles in the meantime. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:18, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

ohhhh, I thought it was one or the other. Gabe1213 (talk) 18:22, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@Gabe1213 Please make sure that all improvements you make, to any article, are accompanied by in-line references to WP:Reliable sources. Semi-protected articles might also be marked as WP:Contentious topics, and for those articles, you need to be especially careful. David10244 (talk) 01:53, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

KOXO in Portland TV -low power station:

I noticed KOXO is in "Silent", please edit change from silent to "Weigel Broadcast Group" licensed last November 26, 2025 by FCC for Portland OR - Low Power TV station. Browncat88 (talk) 20:27, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Please see WP:Edit requests. If you're trying to request an edit to an article, you need to go there and say exactly which article you're requesting the change on, and what change you're requesting (in a simple "Change X to Y" format) Athanelar (talk) 20:41, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

...and tell us where you found that information, so we can include a citation. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:15, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Here's a remix, Browncat88. If you're requesting an edit to an article, first go to that article. This will have a link labeled "Talk". Click on "Talk". At the foot of that Talk page, start a new discussion thread (just as you have done here), and say exactly what change you're requesting (in a simple "Change X to Y" format), and specify your reliable, published source for that information. -- Hoary (talk) 00:25, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

iNeeed Help

I need help ,and i need someonethats going to belieave shit that i cant even explian...Look Listen to me...Im a crimanal...im needing help ~2025-39841-71 (talk) 22:14, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

@~2025-39841-71 This is a help desk for editing Wikipedia, nothing else. Please contact local law enforcement if you are a criminal: we cannot help. qcne (talk) 22:15, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

But contact a defense attorney first. —Antonissimo (talk) 02:23, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

If you are in the United States, call 988 or txt 988. This is the mental health emergency number, and they can help you or tell you how to get help. Do this now. Do not wait. If you are not in the US, try to search "emergency mental health help" in your browser. -Arch dude (talk) 22:33, 10 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Dr. Peter Lacker from Dominic Chianese

I ask to delete Dr. Peter Lacker from the filmography in the TV Show on L.A. Law, Episode I'm in Nude for Love. Dominic Chianese is not playing as Dr. Peter Lacker. Robert Ellenstein plays as Dr. Peter Lacker. I find it on IMDb. I got it right. ~2025-39997-74 (talk) 04:07, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

IMDb is not a reliable source on Wikipedia, because it can be edited by anybody. See WP:Citing IMDb Athanelar (talk) 04:15, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move difficulties

Currently, Romance peoples is a redirect to Romance languages. I want to begin a move discussion about redirecting it instead to Latins#Latin peoples and regions.

Since all discussion about Romance peoples redirect page has to go on the Romance languages talk page, I attempted to put in the move request using the following (from WP:RSPM#Single page move on a different talk page):

{{subst:requested move|reason=(the reason for the page move goes here).|current1=(present title of page to be renamed)|new1=(proposed title of page)}}

But I keep getting this message in red letters: "Request to move a single page must be placed on that page's talk or the page its talk redirects to"

I don't understand what's going on... Evaporation123 (talk) 06:26, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

It sounds like you're talking about changing where Romance peoples redirects to. That isn't a page move, but rather something you can bring up at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion. Sorry if I've misunderstood your concern! DonIago (talk) 07:29, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

That was it. Thank you for your help! Evaporation123 (talk) 07:58, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Quote with image

Hi! For a few days, I am trying to test how an image looks like with the quote, but I am unable to format it properly. Please see Urain Ge and 141 Schools for Peace and suggest if someone has a better idea or template.

A few external examples of how I want it to look like: [22] [23] Thank you! M. Billoo 09:15, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Before solving the technical problem of how, I think it's important to figure out whether it should be done at all. While those do grab reader's attention, I think they are not in keeping with Wikipedia's style-guides, such as MOS:PULLQUOTE and MOS:CAPTION. DMacks (talk) 12:54, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

how do I know if my article is being reviewed for publication

I posted an article "Rousers" and can't tell if it was accepted or in review? Is it stuck in my "sandbox"? Any help would be greatly appreciated?

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Jeridoconn/sandbox&oldid=1323769504 Jeridoconn (talk) 11:05, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Jeridoconn, and welcome to Wikipedia.

I've added a template to the top of your draft, there should now be an option to submit it for review by clicking the blue button. Happy editing! Nil🥝 11:12, 11 December 2025 (UTC)[reply]

[FOOTNOTEConn._Pub._Acts17764-1] Conn. Pub. Acts 1776, p. 4.

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